From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:56:53 +0200 Message-ID: <838vaazux6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9uvv6ng.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bof9s7cl.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <874nl0ov8g.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <20635.63115.874182.168553@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87liecnelf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <83390k0wgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2zmn9hh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352475097 2691 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2012 15:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 09 16:31:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWqYb-00013v-W7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:31:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54922 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWqYS-00056U-Nh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:31:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWq10-0000ze-4s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:57:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWq0y-0005nE-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:57:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWq0y-0005mu-G7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:57:00 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MD800I006N9W700@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:56:50 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MD800ICD6UMXI50@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:56:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87d2zmn9hh.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154763 Archived-At: > From: Nix > Cc: rms@gnu.org, dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org > Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:20:42 +0000 > > On 9 Nov 2012, Eli Zaretskii spake thusly: > > Yes, that is true. But the point I wanted to make is that nothing in > > Emacs really assumes that point must be on the displayed portion of > > the buffer. Rather, the display engine deliberately scrolls text to > > make sure point is visible. So I don't think Emacs will go down in > > flames if some feature inhibits this automatic scrolling. The > > auto-hscroll example was a demonstration of how Emacs command still > > work in a sensible way when point is not visible. > > ... which is a good sign that a small core change might make it possible > to implement this feature on its own in a few lines, without requiring > all the scroll-in-place machinery. Something else for me to look at :) If you could describe what change are you looking for, and how not displaying point might help with scroll-in-place like behavior, I might be able to help. (Sorry, couldn't read all this longish thread.)