From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13154: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt (different one) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:47:52 +0200 Message-ID: <838v91nkgn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <71C954CE83CD4097847383645A95BD14@us.oracle.com> <838v938b38.fsf@gnu.org> <831uev85mk.fsf@gnu.org> <50C9AE0E.7030608@gmx.at> <83sj79op67.fsf@gnu.org> <66C55EA367244D1E82898093BC5F1DB5@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355471353 638 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2012 07:49:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13154@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 14 08:49:27 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ1O-0003Ve-0e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:49:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ1A-0004g4-O8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ17-0004ff-HI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ14-0004XI-Vb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59807) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ14-0004XE-SD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ1y-0001Ck-PN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:50:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13154.13554713774589 (code B ref 13154); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2012 07:49:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41825 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ1Z-0001By-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:58523) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjQ1W-0001Bp-Ia for 13154@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:49:35 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MF000H00G7B3000@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13154@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:47:53 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MF000HS1GBR3700@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:47:51 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <66C55EA367244D1E82898093BC5F1DB5@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68498 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13154@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:16:03 -0800 > > FWIW, it's not clear to me that `w-o-t-t-b' inside `s-e' is "evil". It might be > ineffectual in some contexts, in the sense that it might not do what some users > mistakenly might expect, but - for my own understanding - just why do you > consider it evil? Martin will probably tell, but in any case I don't think this is related to the abort we are discussing. > * I found an occurrence in my version of `describe-function', which is based on > the vanilla Emacs 22 version in this respect. It has to work for 22+, and 22 > does not have macro `with-help-window'. (Yes, I could duplicate the code and > have a version for Emacs 23+...) In my own help commands (`describe-file', > `describe-keymap'), I do not use `save-excursion. > > * I found one other occurrence of `with-output-to-temp-buffer' inside > `save-excursion', but that code is used only when running Emacs 22, and it is a > copy of the vanilla Emacs 22 code (for `describe-text-properties'). IOW, the > fault is with vanilla Emacs in this case, and this case cannot be manifested in > Emacs 24 anyway. We are looking for Lisp code that would show calls to some primitives, wherein we could look for potential bugs on the C level. Does the body of Lisp code inside save-excursion in the first occurrence call any primitives, or any functions at all? If so, can you show that body?