From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Bzr's "confusion" between branches and repositories Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:28:38 +0200 Message-ID: <838uu19yo9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20140124185429.GA25191@thyrsus.com> <83k3dpcbpe.fsf@gnu.org> <20140125062551.GA2554@thyrsus.com> <83bnz0cxp8.fsf@gnu.org> <20140125140637.GA5631@thyrsus.com> <83vbx8azss.fsf@gnu.org> <20140125160124.GA8171@thyrsus.com> <83ppngasor.fsf@gnu.org> <20140125210132.GB13305@thyrsus.com> <83zjmiabsr.fsf@gnu.org> <20140127003312.GA20522@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390840136 13261 80.91.229.3 (27 Jan 2014 16:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 27 17:29:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W7p3W-0003B8-J6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:29:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7p3W-0001Xf-2v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7p3M-0001Ln-AC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:28:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7p3H-0000tW-8a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:28:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:59402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7p3G-0000tH-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:28:47 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N0200L00IT1K300@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:28:23 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N0200I5CJ3B9K50@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:28:23 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20140127003312.GA20522@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169169 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:33:12 -0500 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Bazaar's very real branch/repo confusion is probably not relevant, Since you are saying this in quite a few of your blogs and articles, let's finish this once and for all: there is no confusion. Bazaar works on branches, period. Bazaar is deeply branch-centric, right down to the level of its DAG topology and the way it handles merges. A bzr repository is just a convenience for storing several related branches in a way that saves disk storage, that's all. With the exception of a handful of commands that make some sense in a repo (such as "bzr branches" and "bzr info"), _all_ of the bzr commands work and are meaningful only in a branch. If you want another evidence that bzr repositories are just containers with little user-level impact, hear this: last versions of bzr support co-located branches, but the result, i.e. several co-located branches that live in a single disk directory, is _not_ a repository, and is not referenced as such. They didn't even agree on a name, before the development went dark. You found the "confusion" in what bzr-fast-import does, but that is an import tool, and has nothing to do with day-to-day bzr ops. It does what it does because you will generally import from a repository of another VCS. So please, stop disseminating this fallacy.