From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Nathan Trapuzzano <nbtrap@nbtrap.com>
Cc: 17130@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#17130: 24.4.50; Deficient Unicode case folding
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:45:47 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <838urtdpwk.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eh1lcdaj.fsf@nbtrap.com>
> From: Nathan Trapuzzano <nbtrap@nbtrap.com>
> Cc: 17130@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 10:03:32 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> Reading through the manual section on case tables, it seems that this
> >> could be supported via the extra "canonicalize" slot:
> >>
> >> CANONICALIZE
> >> The canonicalize table maps all of a set of case-related
> >> characters into a particular member of that set.
> >
> > Not efficiently, no. E.g., how will you find ς from σ, using this
> > method?
>
> σ, ς, and Σ would all have σ in the CANONICALIZE slot, since they all
> fold to σ.
So you would need to search all characters to find those which have σ
in the CANONICALIZE slot -- not very efficient, to say the least.
IOW, what you suggest will provide a one-way mapping, whereas we need
a two-way mapping.
> > Besides, don't we also need to know that ς can only be present at the
> > end of a word?
>
> Don't think so. AFAIK, Unicode says nothing about ordering except when
> it comes to combining characters. But even it did prescribe such a
> rule, I don't think it would have anything to do with case folding.
Who said this is only about case folding? Emacs should use this data
for up-casing and down-casing as well, for example, so that M-l
downcases Σ to ς, not σ, when it is at the end of the word. Wouldn't
users of Greek expect that?
> >> If this isn't already used for Unicode case folding, what _is_ it used
> >> for?
> >
> > It is used for case-insensitive regexp matching, see search.c.
>
> Right, but what I'm asking is: if Emacs doesn't do Unicode case folding,
> what is the purpose of the CANONICALIZE slot except as a kind of
> placeholder that gets autofilled?
Whenever you need the canonical equivalent of a character, such as in
case-insensitive search, you need that slot.
> Are there other kinds of case folding--other than traditional
> upper/lower and Unicode--that I'm not aware of?
There's "title case", of course. There are also characters whose case
pair is not a single character, but several, like the upper-case
variant of ß in German. Basically, any character not marked "C" in
the Unicode CaseFolding.txt is special in some way.
> I understand that Emacs autofills the CANONICALIZE slot from
> the other slots, but only when the CANONICALIZE slot is not already set
> to non-nil. What if the CANONICALIZE slot on ς were set to σ? I think
> that's all that would have to happen for the Unicode folding to work.
> It seems the machinery is already in place.
For this case, maybe (and even it doesn't handle Σ correctly, I think,
when downcased at the end of the word). For other cases, not
necessarily.
Personally, I think we need an additional slot for what you want, and
code to use it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-03-29 14:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-03-28 12:07 bug#17130: 24.4.50; Deficient Unicode case folding Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-28 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 19:31 ` nbtrap
2014-03-29 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87ob0pnptc.fsf@nbtrap.com>
2014-03-29 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 14:03 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-03-29 15:29 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 17:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 18:31 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 18:36 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 20:15 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-30 2:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 19:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 20:01 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2019-09-29 14:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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