From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17146: 24.4.50; File save with incapable coding system precluded by strange error message Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 09:20:51 +0300 Message-ID: <838uqgzqyk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ha6fyw1e.fsf@nbtrap.com> <83lhvqcsb3.fsf@gnu.org> <83ha6ecqj3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1399414177 2805 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2014 22:09:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 22:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17146-done@debbugs.gnu.org, nbtrap@nbtrap.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 07 00:09:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WhnSq-0004TT-3V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 May 2014 00:03:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCH5-00057Q-V4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36434) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGz-00057A-8b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:21:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGt-0007CO-PS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33839) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGt-0007CJ-MF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGt-0007iW-D4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:21:03 -0400 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 06:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 17146 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Mail-Followup-To: 17146@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, nbtrap@nbtrap.com Original-Received: via spool by 17146-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D17146.139927085829631 (code D ref 17146); Mon, 05 May 2014 06:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17146-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2014 06:20:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGn-0007hp-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:57382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WhCGk-0007hV-C1 for 17146-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 02:20:55 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N530090083TBC00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 17146-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2014 09:21:58 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N5300O8O8CMDGB0@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Mon, 05 May 2014 09:21:58 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88710 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 19:01:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: nbtrap@nbtrap.com, 17146@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > This change is backward-incompatible, but is not in NEWS for some > > > > reason. Needless to say, the canonical way of fixing the fallout is > > > > not described in NEWS. Are functions that need Help mode supposed to > > > > let-bind these hooks? If so, the patch below should fix the problem. > > > > In any case, please document the change and the way to adapt to it in > > > > NEWS. > > > > > > Please see bug #17109. FWIW, this regression really bothers me. > > > > I read the mailing list, so I'm perfectly aware of that bug and the > > related discussions. Please don't hijack this bug to hold it hostage > > to that one. This bug is about a related issue, but one thing it is > > _not_ about is reverting the change in question. So talking here > > instead of on #17109 is not useful. > > It is now two months later, the 24.4 pretest is out, and there still > has been no follow-up for this "related-issue" bug - or for #17109, > for that matter. I was hoping to get some guidance from the fix for > #17146, at least. #17146 (this bug) is no longer present in the current pretest. So I'm going to mark this bug "done". > I am still left wondering (a) whether there is an intention > to fix what has been broken for Emacs 24.4, and (b) if not, how > I will need to go about fixing the damage myself locally. > > See also bug #17397, which I filed recently. Help commands > (seemingly because they now use only `with-help-window') no longer > invoke `temp-buffer-show-hook', and this breaks quite a bit for me > (whether I use one of my own help commands or a vanilla one). > > The Lisp manual has still not been updated to reflect all of the > changes, AFAICT. It still says clearly, for instance, that > `with-output-to-temp-buffer' switches to Help mode, which it > does *not* (bug #17109): > > "Unlike `with-output-to-temp-buffer', however, it > [`with-temp-buffer-window'] does not automatically switch > that buffer to Help mode." > > And this text was updated for release 24.4 to add the word > "automatically", so presumably someone also paid some attention > to its continued claim regarding `with-output-to-temp-buffer'. This part of the discussion should probably be elsewhere, maybe in #17109, maybe in a separate bug report (with new details about the signs of damage you see in your code).