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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "John Wiegley" <johnw@gnu.org>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Update of pcase docs for the elisp manual
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:41:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838u3c18w3.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2fuxks2dd.fsf@newartisans.com> (message from John Wiegley on Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:59:42 -0800)

> From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:59:42 -0800
> 
>   - Is there any way we can get rid of the phrases QPattern and UPattern?
>     There's decades of prior literature on pattern matching in functional
>     languages, and none of them use "QPattern" and "UPattern". We're inventing
>     terms that make no sense at all to newcomers, except for the single-letter
>     correspondence with "quoted" and "unquoted". What if we just call them
>     "quoted patterns" and "unquoted patterns", if that is what we mean?

The alternatives you propose are longer, which makes it harder to
produce palatable descriptions.  And there's a long tradition of using
them in Emacs.

But I don't own the manual; if you want to get rid of those terms, go
ahead and make the change.

>     I still vote for "literal" and "logical", since a literal pattern matches
>     by literally being the same value as the input, while a logical pattern
>     matches due to the logic of the pattern.

AFAIU, your division into logical and literal was different from the
division between UPatterns and QPatterns.  That's why I didn't use
those terms.

>   - The docs say "UPatterns are simpler, so we describe them first." Don't
>     UPatterns represent the entire complexity of `pcase'?

On the implementation level, yes.  But that's not really relevant for
the documentation (except that we really should say so and give an
example).

>     How are they simpler?

They are to me.  They use undecorated symbols, and don't require the
quote/unquote games.  If that doesn't explain why they are simpler,
then I don't know how to explain it, but the gut feeling is very real.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-01-26 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m2fuxq6pb0.fsf@newartisans.com>
     [not found] ` <87d1stznc6.fsf@web.de>
     [not found]   ` <m2si1p8r31.fsf@newartisans.com>
     [not found]     ` <m2powt5w50.fsf@newartisans.com>
2016-01-23 11:17       ` Update of pcase docs for the elisp manual Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24  4:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-24 14:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-24 23:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-25 16:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26  1:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 15:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 16:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-25 14:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-25 14:15         ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-25 16:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-28 18:37             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-29  3:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-29  9:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 14:51                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-01-26 16:59         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-26 18:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-26 18:41           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-01-26 19:35             ` John Wiegley
2016-01-26 20:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29  1:28                 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-29  8:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 13:39                     ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-29 14:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-29 15:14                         ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-29 15:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-26 19:58             ` Andy Moreton
2016-01-26 20:19               ` Eli Zaretskii

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