From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD= gives confusing results Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:31:42 +0300 Message-ID: <838txbgfgx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2gvhvql.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468067544 8542 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2016 12:32:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 14:32:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQa-0007xu-AF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:32:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50521 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQZ-0004sT-EN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59073) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQT-0004s7-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQQ-0000jm-ET for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59207) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQQ-0000ji-Ab for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQQ-0008LF-43 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23926.146806752032058 (code B ref 23926); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 12:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2016 12:32:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQO-0008Kz-Cg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:32:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39767) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQN-0008Kn-GS for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQF-0000hD-Bf for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:31:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39281) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQF-0000gz-9U; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1660 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrQD-0006QS-5y; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:31:49 -0400 In-reply-to: <87k2gvhvql.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:120678 Archived-At: > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 07:54:58 -0400 > > Yeah, it seems expected because you're familiar with the code. But it > causes Emacs to claim the "original" value is different from what it > originally was, which seems nonsensical. It's not nonsensical, it's what actually happens, AFAIK. > I wonder why Emacs saves only the original expression and not the > actual original value? It does, but then it reevaluates at startup.