* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
@ 2016-10-05 20:01 Tomas Nordin
2016-10-06 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Tomas Nordin @ 2016-10-05 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 24624
Hello Bug-Gnu
In info (elisp) Sequence Functions, description of
-- Function: elt sequence index
there is a link named Definition of nth. It doesn't take me to the
definition of nth. It jumps me to -- Function: make-list length object.
Best regards
--
Tomas
In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5)
of 2015-03-07 on trouble, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
Configured using:
`configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
--localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
--mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
--build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib
--libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var/lib
--infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-pop=yes
--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
--with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars
'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat
-Werror=format-security -Wall' CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro'
Important settings:
value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
Major mode: Info
Minor modes in effect:
magit-auto-revert-mode: t
global-git-commit-mode: t
async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
electric-pair-mode: t
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
diff-auto-refine-mode: t
ido-vertical-mode: t
global-smart-tab-mode: t
show-paren-mode: t
display-time-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
electric-indent-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
buffer-read-only: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-a <M-return> H a r SPC i n t e SPC
s i m k o r t SPC i SPC m i n SPC g a m l a SPC t e
l e f o n . SPC S k a f f a SPC n y l <backspace> t
t . C-n C-n C-n C-n <return> <return> h e j <M-backspace>
h e j <M-backspace> H e j , SPC e <backspace> h e j
M-a M-a M-a M-a M-a M-a M-a M-a M-a C-e M-e . SPC D
e t SPC v e r k a r SPC v ä l SPC o k e j . C-a C-e
SPC V a d SPC g l a d SPC h a s <backspace> n SPC s
k a SPC b l e <backspace> i . C-c C-c SPC SPC SPC a
SPC SPC SPC a SPC d SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC
SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC
SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC a SPC SPC a SPC SPC
g g q q q q C-x b <return> SPC SPC SPC j SPC SPC SPC
SPC SPC SPC SPC <backspace> C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n SPC
SPC SPC <tab> <tab> <tab> <return> l <return> <backspace>
<backspace> C-r n t h C-s C-s C-s <return> SPC SPC
<tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab> <return> l b l
SPC SPC SPC <tab> <tab> <tab> w C-h c w <return> w
l <S-iso-lefttab> <return> l <tab> <return> l w C-x
m h e l p - e m <tab> <M-backspace> <backspace> <tab>
<return> C-n C-x k <return> y e s <return> M-x r e
p o r t - b <tab> <return>
Recent messages:
Mark saved where search started
Mark set
(elisp) Sequence Functions
w runs the command Info-copy-current-node-name
(elisp) Building Lists
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Mark set
Looking for completion candidates...
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* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-05 20:01 bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth Tomas Nordin
@ 2016-10-06 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 8:50 ` martin rudalics
[not found] ` <87twcpvlcr.fsf@flaptop.tomnor.org>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-06 6:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tomas Nordin; +Cc: 24624
> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:01:12 +0200
>
> Hello Bug-Gnu
>
> In info (elisp) Sequence Functions, description of
>
> -- Function: elt sequence index
>
> there is a link named Definition of nth. It doesn't take me to the
> definition of nth. It jumps me to -- Function: make-list length object.
I cannot reproduce this, that link does work for me. I tried both
Emacs 24.4 and the latest 25.1, and the Info reader built into Emacs
works correctly in both cases.
So there's something here at work that is specific to your system or
to the particular Emacs distribution you are using. Or maybe you are
not using the Emacs Info reader?
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2016-10-06 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-10-06 8:50 ` martin rudalics
2016-10-06 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87twcpvlcr.fsf@flaptop.tomnor.org>
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2016-10-06 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, Tomas Nordin; +Cc: 24624
>> there is a link named Definition of nth. It doesn't take me to the
>> definition of nth. It jumps me to -- Function: make-list length object.
>
> I cannot reproduce this, that link does work for me. I tried both
> Emacs 24.4 and the latest 25.1, and the Info reader built into Emacs
> works correctly in both cases.
Something seems to be wrong with the Tag Table in elisp.info. In this
particular case I see on line 80603 of elisp.info
Ref: Definition of nth^?260740^M
which translates in ‘Info-find-node-2’ to a guesspos of 254814 which is
somewhere in section 5.1. With Emacs 25/26 on Windows XP.
A Emacs 25.0.50.1 build of 2014-11-25 exhibits
Ref: Definition of nth^?255333^M
which gets me to the requested definition.
BTW something completely irrational is happening with edebug here. Once
I instrumented a function in info.el I can't `eval-buffer' the info.el
buffer unless I kill the *info* buffer first. Otherwise, I immediately
reenter the debugger.
martin
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2016-10-06 8:50 ` martin rudalics
@ 2016-10-06 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 16:27 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-06 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: tomasn, 24624
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 10:50:18 +0200
> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> CC: 24624@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> >> there is a link named Definition of nth. It doesn't take me to the
> >> definition of nth. It jumps me to -- Function: make-list length object.
> >
> > I cannot reproduce this, that link does work for me. I tried both
> > Emacs 24.4 and the latest 25.1, and the Info reader built into Emacs
> > works correctly in both cases.
>
> Something seems to be wrong with the Tag Table in elisp.info. In this
> particular case I see on line 80603 of elisp.info
>
> Ref: Definition of nth^?260740^M
>
> which translates in ‘Info-find-node-2’ to a guesspos of 254814 which is
> somewhere in section 5.1. With Emacs 25/26 on Windows XP.
You are still using an old makeinfo, do you? From Texinfo 4.13,
perhaps? If so, you need to run your Info files through 'flip' or
some other command that removes the CR characters from CR-LF pairs at
EOL. Or start using the (slower) makeinfo from Texinfo 6.x, which
produces Unix-style Info files by default, even on Windows.
But the OP uses GNU/Linux, so this cannot be the reason for the
problem reported here.
> A Emacs 25.0.50.1 build of 2014-11-25 exhibits
>
> Ref: Definition of nth^?255333^M
>
> which gets me to the requested definition.
Yes, we changed the code in Emacs's Info reader to be compatible with
how the new Texinfo calculates positions in tag tables. There was no
other reasonable solution.
> BTW something completely irrational is happening with edebug here. Once
> I instrumented a function in info.el I can't `eval-buffer' the info.el
> buffer unless I kill the *info* buffer first. Otherwise, I immediately
> reenter the debugger.
Is this a new problem? In any case, it should be a separate
discussion or bug report.
Thanks.
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* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-06 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-10-06 16:27 ` martin rudalics
2016-10-06 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2016-10-06 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: tomasn, 24624
> You are still using an old makeinfo, do you? From Texinfo 4.13,
> perhaps?
I am using Texinfo 4.13.
> If so, you need to run your Info files through 'flip' or
> some other command that removes the CR characters from CR-LF pairs at
> EOL. Or start using the (slower) makeinfo from Texinfo 6.x, which
> produces Unix-style Info files by default, even on Windows.
Making info here is already so slow that neither of these is an option
for me. In the good old days it was a pure pleasure to work with
makeinfo - maybe due to the fact that the Elisp manual was split in
those days or, because on Windows a much simpler build script was used.
After a text change, I could produce the corresponding updated and
reverted *info* buffer practically on-the-fly. Nowadays it takes me
half a minute to do so. For me it's the worst pain that happened in the
recent development of Emacs.
> Yes, we changed the code in Emacs's Info reader to be compatible with
> how the new Texinfo calculates positions in tag tables. There was no
> other reasonable solution.
It would have been good to read something about this in NEWS or
somewhere else. I already "fixed" at least one such link in the release
version ...
>> BTW something completely irrational is happening with edebug here. Once
>> I instrumented a function in info.el I can't `eval-buffer' the info.el
>> buffer unless I kill the *info* buffer first. Otherwise, I immediately
>> reenter the debugger.
>
> Is this a new problem? In any case, it should be a separate
> discussion or bug report.
I can't reproduce it with emacs -Q so it might as well be related to my
setup.
Thanks for the information, martin
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* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-06 16:27 ` martin rudalics
@ 2016-10-06 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-07 7:09 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-06 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: martin rudalics; +Cc: tomasn, 24624
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:27:29 +0200
> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
> CC: tomasn@posteo.net, 24624@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > You are still using an old makeinfo, do you? From Texinfo 4.13,
> > perhaps?
>
> I am using Texinfo 4.13.
>
> > If so, you need to run your Info files through 'flip' or
> > some other command that removes the CR characters from CR-LF pairs at
> > EOL. Or start using the (slower) makeinfo from Texinfo 6.x, which
> > produces Unix-style Info files by default, even on Windows.
>
> Making info here is already so slow that neither of these is an option
> for me.
Then you'll have to remove the CRs manually after producing the files.
However, in the long run, you'll have to switch at some point, because
Texinfo gets more and more new features that eventually will start
failing a build with 4.13.
> In the good old days it was a pure pleasure to work with
> makeinfo - maybe due to the fact that the Elisp manual was split in
> those days or, because on Windows a much simpler build script was used.
> After a text change, I could produce the corresponding updated and
> reverted *info* buffer practically on-the-fly. Nowadays it takes me
> half a minute to do so. For me it's the worst pain that happened in the
> recent development of Emacs.
It's not up to Emacs, it's up to Texinfo developers. We here had no
say in this matter. Once Texinfo switched to makeinfo the Perl
script, it got much slower. (If you build Texinfo locally, you can
build it with Perl extensions in C, which makes it about 40% faster,
but that's still 10 times slower than the C version.)
> > Yes, we changed the code in Emacs's Info reader to be compatible with
> > how the new Texinfo calculates positions in tag tables. There was no
> > other reasonable solution.
>
> It would have been good to read something about this in NEWS or
> somewhere else.
You mean, in Texinfo NEWS?
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* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-06 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-10-07 7:09 ` martin rudalics
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: martin rudalics @ 2016-10-07 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: tomasn, 24624
> It's not up to Emacs, it's up to Texinfo developers. We here had no
> say in this matter. Once Texinfo switched to makeinfo the Perl
> script, it got much slower. (If you build Texinfo locally, you can
> build it with Perl extensions in C, which makes it about 40% faster,
> but that's still 10 times slower than the C version.)
It already became much slower before that switch. No wonder it takes me
years to write documentation like that on side windows ;-)
>> > Yes, we changed the code in Emacs's Info reader to be compatible with
>> > how the new Texinfo calculates positions in tag tables. There was no
>> > other reasonable solution.
>>
>> It would have been good to read something about this in NEWS or
>> somewhere else.
>
> You mean, in Texinfo NEWS?
Emacs NEWS should have said that "we changed the code in Emacs's Info
reader to be compatible with how the new Texinfo calculates positions in
tag tables". But since I am probably the only other person to edit
texinfo files on Windows, a PM might have been sufficient.
martin
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* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
[not found] ` <87twcpvlcr.fsf@flaptop.tomnor.org>
@ 2016-10-06 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-06 21:10 ` Tomas Nordin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-06 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tomas Nordin; +Cc: 24624
[Please keep the bug address on the CC list.]
> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:10:44 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:01:12 +0200
> >>
> >> Hello Bug-Gnu
> >>
> >> In info (elisp) Sequence Functions, description of
> >>
> >> -- Function: elt sequence index
> >>
> >> there is a link named Definition of nth. It doesn't take me to the
> >> definition of nth. It jumps me to -- Function: make-list length object.
> >
> > I cannot reproduce this, that link does work for me. I tried both
> > Emacs 24.4 and the latest 25.1, and the Info reader built into Emacs
> > works correctly in both cases.
> >
> > So there's something here at work that is specific to your system or
> > to the particular Emacs distribution you are using. Or maybe you are
> > not using the Emacs Info reader?
>
> Using thee Emacs Info reader.
>
> I tried now the info Info reader and then I get to
>
> -- Function: nth n list
>
> which seem right.
>
> $ info --version
> info (GNU texinfo) 5.2
What does this line say in the elisp.info file you have installed:
Ref: Definition of nth^?264186
What is the number at the end of the line in your case?
And if you type this command:
M-x find-file-literally RET /path/to/elisp.info RET
then go to this line:
-- Function: nth n list
and type "C-x =", what does Emacs show in the echo area?
If your elisp.info file is gzip-compressed, then do this instead:
C-x C-f /path/to/elisp.info.gz RET
C-x Function: nth RET
M-: (position-bytes (point)) RET
and tell what that yields, and how does that compare with the number
at the end of the "Ref:" line shown above.
Thanks.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-06 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-10-06 21:10 ` Tomas Nordin
2016-10-07 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Tomas Nordin @ 2016-10-06 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 24624
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.]
>
Sorry, saw now it is written in the acknowledge letter.
> What does this line say in the elisp.info file you have installed:
>
> Ref: Definition of nth^?264186
Ref: Definition of nth\x7f255737
>
> What is the number at the end of the line in your case?
>
> And if you type this command:
>
> M-x find-file-literally RET /path/to/elisp.info RET
>
> then go to this line:
>
> -- Function: nth n list
>
> and type "C-x =", what does Emacs show in the echo area?
Char: SPC (32, #o40, #x20) point=251238 of 3485344 (7%) column=0
but it was the gzipped file and not found literally...
>
> If your elisp.info file is gzip-compressed, then do this instead:
>
> C-x C-f /path/to/elisp.info.gz RET
> C-x Function: nth RET
> M-: (position-bytes (point)) RET
>
255722 (#o763352, #x3e6ea)
(standing at column 0)
>
> and tell what that yields, and how does that compare with the number
> at the end of the "Ref:" line shown above.
Ref: Definition of nth\x7f255737
(- 255722 255737) -> -15
>
> Thanks.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* bug#24624: 24.4; Faulty info link -> definition of nth
2016-10-06 21:10 ` Tomas Nordin
@ 2016-10-07 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <87wphiu052.fsf@flaptop.tomnor.org>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-10-07 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tomas Nordin; +Cc: 24624
> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@posteo.net>
> Cc: 24624@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 23:10:42 +0200
>
> > C-x C-f /path/to/elisp.info.gz RET
> > C-x Function: nth RET
> > M-: (position-bytes (point)) RET
> >
>
> 255722 (#o763352, #x3e6ea)
>
> (standing at column 0)
>
> >
> > and tell what that yields, and how does that compare with the number
> > at the end of the "Ref:" line shown above.
>
> Ref: Definition of nth\x7f255737
> (- 255722 255737) -> -15
I think I see the problem now: if Emacs 24.4 is used with elisp.info
from Emacs 24.5, then I can reproduce your problem. The manuals for
Emacs 24.4 were produced by makeinfo 4.13, whereas those for 24.5 were
produced by makeinfo 5.2. I'm guessing there's some mismatch between
Emacs 24.4's info.el and makeinfo 5.2. It seems like Debian produced
what they claim to be the 24.4 Info files from Emacs 24.5, or some
post-24.4 development version.
So my suggestion is to upgrade to a newer Emacs version. Both Emacs
24.5 and Emacs 25.1 will read your Info files correctly.
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