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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The current state of the comment-cache branch
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:00:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838tr5zge4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161224113620.GF2212@acm.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:36:20 +0000)

> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:36:20 +0000
> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> 
> > Could you or someone else explain why an open paren in column 0 can affect
> > the parsing of syntax in cc-mode at all? After all, such parens have no
> > special syntactic nor semantic meaning in C nor C++.
> 
> It is a convention established in Emacs around ?40 years ago, that such
> an open paren signalled the start of a defun.  This sped Emacs up
> enormously, since the alternative was searching back to the beginning of
> the buffer to check whether the paren was at the top level.
> 
> Currently, the only piece of low-level code which uses this convention is
> back_comment in .../src/syntax.c.  This scans backward over a comment to
> its beginning.  Scanning backwards is difficult, because you can't really
> tell whether a string quote is contained within a comment, or a comment
> marker might be contained within a string, ....  back_comment is
> heuristic, and sort of works OK.  But it uses the open defun convention
> to speed itself up.

I think one missing piece of the puzzle, which is what confused Elias,
is that open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start is not only about '(',
it's about any character that has the "open parenthesis" syntax class
under the current syntax tables.  And in C mode, that includes '{' and
'[', with the former being the important one.  I think.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-24 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-23 21:50 The current state of the comment-cache branch Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24  9:07   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  1:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24  8:40   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 20:56   ` Stephen Leake
2016-12-25 15:47     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 20:41     ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-24  8:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24  8:30   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24  8:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24  9:42       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 11:11         ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-24 11:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 12:00             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-12-24 21:48               ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]             ` <CADtN0W+7zHzuoWFrzs6MuonUM74D_dC+yh10rSk+r0nuxgeTBg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <CADtN0WJYXRg=oEBxn3UPjF6RFJG62nG4GpUFaphdkj9Egde_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
2016-12-24 12:21                 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-12-27 17:55                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 15:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 16:42                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 16:45                       ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-28 17:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 23:58                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-29  3:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-29 16:56                               ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-12-29 17:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-29 19:44                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-30 10:29                                     ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-03 17:39                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-20 18:58                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-20 21:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-21  9:06                                             ` Andreas Röhler
2017-01-22  4:28                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-28 17:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-29  1:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-29  2:15                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-24 12:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24 22:19           ` Paul Eggert
2016-12-25 16:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 16:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28  8:37             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 17:02               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-28 17:10               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-27 16:40           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28 15:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-28 16:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-24 18:54 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-27 16:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-28  1:40     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-12-28  7:54       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-12-29  1:13         ` Dmitry Gutov

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