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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>
Cc: 21028@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21028: Slow font rendering in emacs
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:40:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838tmsr259.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa33b24d-0a2e-d7dd-64ab-34f6f6dfb719@ralfj.de> (message from Ralf Jung on Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:54:56 +0200)

> Cc: 21028@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 10:54:56 +0200
> 
> >> Of course this is just an excerpt of the characters we use.  From all I
> >> can tell, the general rule is "if the character is supported by Fira,
> >> use that font; else of it is supported by DejaVu, use that font; else do
> >> <no idea what it does>"
> > 
> > As you have seen, this does work as you want, but it's slow.  We are
> > talking about getting you the same functionality, but faster.  That
> > comes for a price of more accurate fontset setup.
> 
> Well, we also have a patch fixing that slowness, so it doesn't seem to
> be an inherent problem, just some implementation artifact.

That patch has been applied, in case you weren't tracking this bug.

> >> I don't think the font is to blame here.  After all, other applications
> >> manage to deal with exactly the same fonts just fine.
> >> Unfortunately, I don't know *how* everybody else is selecting fonts, I
> >> only know they do a better job at it than emacs, and they have no
> >> problem dealing with fonts that only partially support some blocks.
> >> Probably fontconfig is doing most of the work here, but I am really just
> >> guessing.
> > 
> > Most other applications don't deal with multi-lingual text, so their
> > job is easier.  Emacs attempts to solve a harder problem here.
> 
> What exactly does this mean?  I sure would expect all these editors to
> correctly display text that mixes Latin, Greek, Cyrillic and Japanese
> characters.

Most editors assume each file will only ever include text in a single
language.  Emacs explicitly tries to do better when several languages
and scripts are mixed in the same file/buffer.

Emacs also has some rules for selecting fonts based on cultural
preferences, so it could use different fonts for the same Unicode
codepoints in different locales.

> I believe they can handle this, but have to admit I did not try that
> (mostly for lack of a personal use-case).  Is there an example that
> can be used to test this?

I'd begin with the HELLO file.





      reply	other threads:[~2017-04-22 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-10 10:34 bug#21028: Performance regression in revision af1a69f4d17a482c359d98c00ef86fac835b5fac (Apr 2014) Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-10 12:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-10 16:02   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-10 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-10 16:55   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-15 12:32     ` Dmitry Antipov
2015-07-18 10:24       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-18 11:16         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-18 11:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-18 20:08             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03  6:12       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03  6:42         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03  7:08           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03  7:33             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03 17:10               ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-03 17:28                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-03 20:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-20 21:26                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-07-21 14:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-21 14:33                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-07-23 20:50                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-04 22:17                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-26 17:15                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-27 14:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 15:29                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-27 15:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 14:23                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-28 14:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-18  8:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-18 17:33                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-18 17:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-18 18:04                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-18 19:52                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-18 20:44                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-19 15:50                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-19 16:25                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-19 16:39                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-19 16:55                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-19 16:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-19 17:13                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-22 16:25                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-22 16:49                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-22 18:04                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-22 19:08                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-02-10  4:45                                                                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-12 11:38                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-12 15:49                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-12 17:24                                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-12 17:48                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-12 19:19                                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-13 15:46                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 16:36                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-13 17:22                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 19:04                                                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-13 20:53                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 19:45                                                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-15 15:37                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 15:45                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 19:35                                                                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-15 15:36                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-15 20:46                                                                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-16 15:27                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-16 21:23                                                                                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2017-03-17  8:15                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16  7:48                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-16 15:28                                                                                                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-19 17:00                                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-07-10 15:42 ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-03  6:37   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-04 18:56 ` Jason Gross
2017-03-13 15:54 ` bug#21028: Slow font rendering in emacs Ralf Jung
2017-03-13 17:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 18:12     ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-13 20:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 15:57         ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-14 17:11           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 18:50             ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-14 19:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 19:17             ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-14 20:49             ` John Mastro
2017-03-15 15:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 15:47   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 18:41     ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-14 19:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 19:39         ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-14 19:45           ` Ralf Jung
2017-03-15 15:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-22  8:54             ` Ralf Jung
2017-04-22 13:40               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]

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