From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 20:12:37 +0300 Message-ID: <838shx84ca.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83k11ldpxs.fsf@gnu.org> <83imh5dnun.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wpdms7.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> <0d678371-2df7-519e-5ec0-7e26bfa6ea34@gmail.com> <11dff979-002e-e03e-2e3e-cdb09fcc409e@yandex.ru> <8017be3d-a4ed-61eb-9bdb-9a95c77a0698@gmail.com> <3adf65ae-fd0d-4fee-adfd-e11d39a148fc@yandex.ru> <01e211df-acfb-fb8a-eedc-7cb439b64cd8@yandex.ru> <90C1E75D-214A-464E-AA24-25CC8C220B3B@icloud.com> <83pnbabjok.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2px98we.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="99539"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pcr910303@icloud.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 19:14:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYUB-000Pjg-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:14:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33358 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYUA-0007qH-As for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYT0-0006rz-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:13:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45585) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYSz-0000Jw-1l; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4131 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYYSf-0000vn-OG; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:13:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 12 May 2020 10:04:05 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249997 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:04:05 -0400 > Cc: pcr910303@icloud.com, cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru > > It is a problem that basic functionality for several important use-cases > is missing OOTB. Some examples have been given in this thread. > > It is also a clear drawback that we can't include nice-to-have > functionality such as Magit (one of our "killer apps"). I agree that these are voids in the Emacs functionality. The argument is not about whether there are voids, but about the ways to fill them. > > But as a project, we have our conventions and standards, > > and contributors are kindly requested to follow them when they > > contribute to Emacs. Every project does that, and there's nothing > > wrong with such requirements. Those requirements are meant to keep > > the quality of Emacs high enough. > > We would not need to lower our standards by introducing "ELPA Contrib" > or "MELPA-libre". We could still choose which packages to include, and > the conditions for doing so. I don't know what are MELPA-libre or ELPA Contrib. It sounds like they are ideas, not real repositories. If the intent is to create package repositories that are not part of the Emacs project, I have no objections (and even if I did, people could rightfully ignore them).