From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "whether the global keymap C-x 4 will be replaced by a command," Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:29:59 +0300 Message-ID: <838sfmm54o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ft9woo68.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo377wxp.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83ft9um9op.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26842"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 18:31:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNpg-0006jT-I8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:31:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNpa-0002Kd-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNou-0001mO-Mg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:30:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNot-0004Sf-6y; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1026 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jvNoe-00066T-RN; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:30:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:53 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252955 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: juri@linkov.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:53 -0400 > > >> But maybe we could make the following work: `C-x 4 C-h k C-f`. > > How would the user remember when to start with C-h and when to type it > > in the middle of a key sequence? > > `C-x 4 C-f` would run 2 commands, just like `C-u C-f`, so just like you can't > do `C-x k C-u C-f` (because the `C-x k` stops after `C-u`). The problem with C-u is actually my long-time lament. Making this "spread" to more commands doesn't sound like progress to me. What advantages and exciting new features will this enable, that could outweigh the downsides?