From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Stability of core packages (was: Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:55:09 +0300 Message-ID: <838reo821e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a5zj2vfo.fsf@gmail.com> <87leiwdyff.fsf@posteo.net> <834jpk5hih.fsf@gnu.org> <871qkom3fj.fsf@posteo.net> <83mt3b4yfc.fsf@gnu.org> <87edonlsxi.fsf@posteo.net> <83jzyf4vzb.fsf@gnu.org> <871qknllkj.fsf@posteo.net> <83fs934pjf.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn2fk47y.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfd2g2ek.fsf@gnu.org> <875y9yfxrr.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1muefks.fsf@gmail.com> <834jpifizy.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1mue1qi.fsf@gnu.org> <83sfd2e01f.fsf@gnu.org> <1a5e5837-513b-84d8-3260-cdbf42b71267@gutov.dev> <83sfcz9rf2.fsf@gnu.org> <09a49ab9-ac72-36a9-3e68-9c633710eba7@gutov.dev> <83r0sh8i1q.fsf@gnu.org> <35638c9d-e13f-fad8-5f95-ea03d65d4aa2@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5733"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 19 14:55:53 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pp7Ll-0001K5-9q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 14:55:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pp7Kv-0005xT-S8; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pp7Ku-0005xH-Li for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:55:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pp7Ku-0004MF-C6; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:55:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=62bopl0fPRUxadPcJN6EsN3jhrjDkYHUJDQRc1v2B8U=; b=ZcKmUNdkI2XrlBFWrqv7 B6/OZGKMoSi4+VXzJng9ozvnIPUwmrBpSAXwPOm3A2oLtz8KwVnEBhhpI/iX/78FVNR+jI0KBUMH1 2DM1XcWIUKb083oXXDOrGnCfQ1RSb+KpSd764aPm+ilXFiie5oPx7P93WHhKMLvKuAmWj0s8vWCT8 MzbK/53jA3fN0iKHHZyoeWS38YdAC2QwMX+nohxsuLE+21D8T3vwXflliS/8q8nL+9G4m3meRXSpn 9n3vfhXW4t2vn+O603iBIB47mYtLE86Bk0WC1onNemm5tjjDkky0d6mK/hG+CDhwuXiwaly3sjy7n oFU43XF+DTIvbQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pp7Ks-0005TD-CF; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:54:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= on Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:50:12 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305434 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:50:12 +0100 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 7:57 PM Jim Porter wrote: > > > > * Stable: the version of a package included in the latest Emacs tarball > > * Latest: the latest version on GNU ELPA (etc) > > * Devel: the latest version on GNU-devel ELPA (etc) > > > > You could possibly add: > > > > * Core(?): the version of a package included in the tarball of the > > user's *current* Emacs installation > > These are interesting levels, but I was under the impression > that the goal is to partition the set of :core packages according > to some kind of gradation, what Eli called "stability gradation". > The set can be found in the variable package--builtins. No you've misunderstood what I mean by "stability gradation". It has nothing to do with the value of package--builtins, even when that is non-nil.