From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 44ebd9cbd56 2/2: Eglot: explain how to update Eglot in manual (bug#62720) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:42:07 +0300 Message-ID: <838rebqjeo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <168263878553.23108.4718240877999827191@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230427233949.44D31C22A13@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20f53b0a-d6ff-8ec0-2f8c-e0e22b2d49dc@gutov.dev> <83bkj8sjv4.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz3oaxsq.fsf@posteo.net> <8bbac559-396d-531e-e282-ed6b319cd99b@gutov.dev> <87jzxvg9kx.fsf@posteo.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14327"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 29 08:42:17 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pseHf-0003UD-W6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2023 08:42:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pseH2-0000JR-Dt; Sat, 29 Apr 2023 02:41:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pseH1-0000JJ-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2023 02:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pseH0-0000ga-3Z; Sat, 29 Apr 2023 02:41:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=CqQkqNYVMSNm/6W2ogitz5Irkt5xROnUnYuTPSbE/PQ=; b=NcgsYdZRPCg2 FqnzmtZX9hBqJM3DMPP1cv52cM0Js0A1acg+gxLXXmwrgu9j6FTGK5RgBEGAtc4l9Afu+adJjelaO BMERfvUMMtXzu3QX4dWyFxcinX8a3CxxQDLN7zNr2/HfDL1Isn1YVHb7GPKPHAn6z/PNB/DTsDBTL Az5pU5Kp6ROAETx/lBkGbJu4glZh9PdqR/5/B9KS8QHKEDnBadh1EMOSNMUot/XTkZJsiYmksGwsv QPNez+84tCuALNzyVStOoKTYpYtyqL2te1euJg88SEiTd/yHeODW+0Jgo7aKlTOwijI2Q8Y7GTukx Nq+OoiNFUN0t6A3aC8z3Pw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pseGz-0004aG-HV; Sat, 29 Apr 2023 02:41:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87jzxvg9kx.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 28 Apr 2023 18:12:14 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305705 Archived-At: > From: Philip Kaludercic > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 18:12:14 +0000 > > Just thinking about introducing a command that we right-now plan to > deprecate by the next release is not something I look forward to. Even > just promoting the concept of having a package-specific upgrade command > is something I am a afraid of (it took for ages for third-party packages > to stop adding pointless `foo-version' commands). And I might have > missed something here, but none of this would tackle the "central" issue > of use-package not installing the newest version of a package if the > package is already built-in, but hasn't yet been installed before. As > mentioned above: If we want to tell users to install packages using a > custom command, they might as well use M-x list-packages and select the > package from ELPA that way? And on top of all that (with which I agree 100%), I explicitly and repeatedly asked not to introduce this command.