From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 19:29:06 +0300 Message-ID: <838r9wjvot.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18426"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 27 18:30:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIeY-0004aX-LP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 18:30:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIdq-0003uB-KQ; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:29:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIdp-0003u3-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaIdo-0001Lp-P8; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 12:29:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=SxTEy7YNAkdPs9cKsTI4e2+qVgCbVmL5i4tT+Hhie3w=; b=mo1/tMtorf/Q y4C31GjKhYI2AJpazfkkCjdtJKSj/vSLqhGlG/w9YKpyB4cVr+ewitcBNzeRM/8flguv0lx4902fI DvSeVUDXXA82thgbqfGmELucANfnGRyicYKDgyQxyqOvuHSSUM9Y6/LkqINjpSCRtkRFDqzET/wV2 9dUiQUXcChc/rYhyIR3MsHcPGNcMzx4ieeQay+/DRTLMeMS8p+33NghNpKe1FLnC/G3ZTTBFJ78zC MFpPbDJMju8JOluY1dnoqqasxHtQh9gTC4B4sg8U7l54i2Hy3mZRUph67csLLhmnJZkapfM277Sux 1KGpxLFNK1zDjbAF54vx4g==; In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:14:41 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309356 Archived-At: > From: Arthur Miller > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:14:41 +0200 > > I personally believe that Emacs as a project would benefit of complete > core rewrite, as well as unifying the extension and the implementation > language for several reasons. Yes, it is a lot of work, but even > rewriting C core to adapt Emacs to modern machines is a lot of work in > itself, if it is even possible. Sure, this has been said here several times. Two problems with this: . we need volunteer(s) to actually do the work, and the requirements for their talents are hard to meet; and . the rewrite needs to keep all or most of Lisp still working, which is IMNSHO almost impossible, because our Lisp is written for the current design I leave the conclusions as an exercise ;-)