all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org,
	vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2024 10:26:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838r55y05r.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnJ6prqZAP7Z+bP4Oeup=8vJQofy2He6ZTOfdZ9v17qjA@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 3 Jan 2024 22:58:46 -0800)

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 22:58:46 -0800
> Cc: vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> There are plenty of issues with static IDing parts of a document.
> >
> > Sure.  We are in uncharted territory here, so issues are a legion.
> 
> I think the job will be easier if we use established tools and workflows
> if at all possible.

We could only recommend such tools.  The actual choice is up to the
person who works on translations.  If the choice of the tools also
affects the source form in which the translations are kept in the
repository, we will need to consider those aspects as well.

> >> I think po-mode already does that and all the "out of emacs" tools do
> >> too.
> >
> > Maybe so.  But I wouldn't assume that PO could be easily stretched to
> > this kind of jobs, since it wasn't originally designed for them.
> 
> IIUC, it's what Jean-Christophe's has already been using here:
> 
>     https://git.sr.ht/~brandelune/emacs_documentation_repository

That's one data point, yes.  I can speak for myself here: I would not
want to use PO for this kind of job.  Its way of showing the
documentation as a series of unrelated strings makes it hard to read
the document and understand what it's saying.  PO was originally
designed for translating message strings, which are generally
unrelated to one another, which is not the case here.

So yes, PO could be tweaked for this job, but I'm not sure this is the
best solution, certainly not for everyone.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-04  8:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-27 21:14 Where to contribute manual translations ? Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28  7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 11:41   ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 13:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 14:01       ` Po Lu
2023-12-28 15:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  0:42           ` Po Lu
2023-12-29  6:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 15:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 17:04           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 19:43               ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29  2:05               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29  6:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  9:02                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 10:18                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 11:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 12:42                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-30  3:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02  3:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-02  3:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 12:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30  3:22         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01  0:27             ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01  7:57               ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 12:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 12:56                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:11                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:35                         ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:16                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:51                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:38                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 13:30                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-03 13:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 23:14                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  6:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:58                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  7:59                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  8:26                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-01-04  9:10                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 10:04                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 12:53                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:35                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-06  5:40                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 11:52                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:18                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:26                                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:36                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-04  7:18                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:04                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  1:17                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-09  2:49                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-09  3:08                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-10  4:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-10  4:56                                                             ` free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Emanuel Berg
2024-01-13  3:51                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-11 21:50                                                           ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-05  7:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 11:34                                             ` Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-04 12:19                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-02-07  3:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 23:10                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-09  3:51                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-05  4:23                                             ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 13:25                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:27                           ` Translation of manuals Po Lu
2024-01-03  4:50                             ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:28                               ` Po Lu
2024-01-04  4:46                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  6:13                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:35                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  8:20                                       ` Infrastructure proposal (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 13:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 14:07                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 14:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:36                                   ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Po Lu
2024-01-05  0:34                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  2:29                                       ` Po Lu
2024-01-07  6:56                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-07  7:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05  2:36                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  7:11                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-05 12:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:20                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 15:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 16:10                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 16:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  4:40                                               ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  9:37                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 11:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 12:25                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:49                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:04                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 14:16                                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:41                                                             ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:31                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  5:38                                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  7:32                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:33                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 12:00                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 19:27                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-10 20:52                                                     ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11  6:09                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 12:48                                                         ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 13:04                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:42                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-11 19:14                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 19:57                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:49                                                         ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 15:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 15:56                                                             ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 16:09                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:22                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 19:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 19:46                                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 20:03                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 20:37                                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 21:58                                                                           ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-12  8:28                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:33                                                           ` Info download service Gavin Smith
2024-01-12 14:42                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-12 15:08                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-13 20:54                                                               ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-15  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-15 10:35                                                                   ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-18  3:35                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-19 12:21                                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 11:57                                                   ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:06                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-07  6:44                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 20:02                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:37                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:18                                                   ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-22  8:48                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-22 21:40                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 19:03                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 19:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:16                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:41                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 21:17                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  6:31                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12  0:28                                               ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12  8:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 12:08                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 12:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 17:27                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2024-02-17 14:49                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  4:28                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 23:06                     ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-01 23:14                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  0:32                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  1:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  3:14                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  3:46                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 15:40                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 16:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 18:54                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 19:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:34                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 11:24               ` Where to contribute manual translations ? Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 21:34                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 15:18             ` Richard Stallman

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=838r55y05r.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org \
    --cc=rms@gnu.org \
    --cc=stefankangas@gmail.com \
    --cc=vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.