From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:57:58 +0300 Message-ID: <837hjlr78p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4C6D56DB.7040703@swipnet.se> <4C6D8EC5.7040901@swipnet.se> <4C6E1F0A.7070506@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282294835 23079 80.91.229.12 (20 Aug 2010 09:00:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 20 11:00:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmNSg-00044w-G1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:00:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43790 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OmNSf-0001Cm-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:00:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38285 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OmNSW-0001CT-Sr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:00:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmNSV-0006c3-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:00:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:36308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmNSU-0006bs-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:00:19 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L7G00I000SUGF00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:59:58 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.220.100]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L7G00HZE0ZUW870@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:59:56 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128902 Archived-At: > From: Andreas Schwab > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:40:43 +0200 > Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > Jan Dj=C3=A4rv writes: >=20 > > We been through this before, search the archives. Anyway, pull i= s not > > faster than commit. >=20 > A local commit is faster, and the push can then transfer all pendin= g > commits in a single transaction. That's true, but it doesn't necessarily help too much, because pushin= g many pending commits moves much more stuff through the wire, and you need to wait longer. IOW, the overhead of a small commit is not much larger, relatively to the diffs, than the overhead of a large commit, at least for my connection. Plus, pushing many unrelated commits has a drawback as not showing in "bzr log" unless you also use the --include-merges (or -n0) switch, which makes "bzr log" significantly slower. Worst of all, no progress is being reported regarding turning on bzr+ssh on savannah. It's been 9 months since work on this was supposed to have been started, enough time to deliver a baby, and I have no idea when (or if) this will happen. Could those "in the know= " please tell what is holding this back? Given the information about the difficulties, maybe someone, whose connection is not so fast and whose motivation is therefore high, could help.