From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
Cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:30:15 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <837hjkp8aw.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19567.40614.937000.714861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:38:46 +0100
> From: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
> Cc: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Jan Djärv writes:
>
> > You are ignoring the fact that work usually doesn't happen in the bound
> > branch, but in a separate task branch. We can continue to work there while
> > the bound branch commits. I don't see much difference.
>
> If there isn't "much difference" then why is push being discouraged?
The only place on the wiki which could be considered as "discouraging"
push is this:
It might occur to you to save some effort by just doing bzr push
directly to the upstream master from inside the TASKNAME branch:
cd $DEVHOME/emacs/TASKNAME
bzr push sftp://USERNAME@bzr.savannah.gnu.org/srv/bzr/emacs/trunk/
*Do not do this* -- it can cause history to be displayed in a strange
way in the upstream master, any mirrors or branches of it, and your own
branch later. Search for the word “hidden” in
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-11/msg01021.html
for more details.
IIRC, this was written by Stephen and Karl, and I don't see anything
wrong with this warning. Do you?
> If you want to work on the main branch rather than task branches, then
> it does make an important difference, as Stephen and I have pointed
> out. Here, an unbound main branch is a lot more flexible and it will
> reduce the contention on the central repo.
As I wrote in an earlier post, I don't see the extra flexibility. I'm
awaiting your response to that.
> > Plus, pushing many unrelated commits has a drawback as not showing in
> > "bzr log" unless you also use the --include-merges (or -n0) switch,
> > which makes "bzr log" significantly slower.
>
> If Eli is trying to avoid levels in histories, then he *must be*
> working on the main branch.
I'm trying to keep the history linear whenever possible, yes. If you
think this is not a good idea on its own right, please tell why.
> And, he is stung by the bound main branch. Using an unbound main
> branch will immediately improve things.
Again, I don't see how am I "stung" and how an unbound branch will
improve things.
> Note that he also raised a logical problem. If you open a separate
> branch for your work, then you don't want to put many unrelated
> commits in it. That will make it appear as if they were related
> commits at the top level. Using bound branches will encourage people
> to put unrelated commits in task branches.
If you do ALL of the work in a task branch, yes. But I don't think
that's the right workflow, and that's not what I use. I use task
branches for 2 kinds of jobs:
. prolonged development of features
. forensics: debugging some issue that needs switching to earlier
versions, e.g. with "bzr bisect" or "bzr revert -rNNN" (later I
get rid of all the traces of these revert commands by pulling from
the main branch with "bzr pull --overwrite")
> Whichever way I look at it, I don't see any upside to using bound
> branches, but plenty of downside.
Well, would you please list those downsides together? They must have
been lost in the argument, because I don't see them. At most I've
seen a single downside you cited -- that further development is
somehow stuck until the commit from the bound branch finishes. As I
wrote, I think this claim is simply false.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-21 10:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-19 15:40 Locks on the Bzr repository Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 15:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:07 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 20:06 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 21:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 6:22 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-20 7:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 9:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 9:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 11:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 10:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 11:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:33 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 15:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 13:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 22:41 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 8:36 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 9:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:30 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:47 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 17:04 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-22 7:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 3:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-21 9:38 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 10:30 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-08-21 10:37 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:51 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:02 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 7:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 17:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:31 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:56 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 17:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22 7:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 18:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 19:50 ` Leo
2010-08-21 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 20:17 ` Leo
2010-08-21 20:31 ` Leo
2010-08-22 1:41 ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-22 1:47 ` Leo
2010-08-22 13:47 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-22 13:53 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22 6:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 8:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:57 ` Leo
2010-08-22 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 21:51 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 22:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-22 9:03 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-22 9:36 ` Teemu Likonen
2010-08-22 9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 4:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 7:52 ` Glenn Morris
2010-08-23 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-24 13:30 ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 9:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 5:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 7:58 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 10:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 12:41 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 6:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 12:37 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:05 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 14:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:25 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 14:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:02 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 21:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 16:42 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 17:12 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 18:47 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 14:05 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 15:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-25 13:03 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 13:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-31 21:33 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01 0:30 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-01 1:44 ` Bernardo Barros
2010-09-01 2:36 ` Miles Bader
2010-09-01 3:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01 6:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-01 18:17 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01 19:10 ` Bastien
2010-09-02 5:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02 6:31 ` Bastien
2010-09-03 1:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-03 8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03 9:50 ` Bastien
2010-09-03 13:58 ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-25 20:25 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 15:36 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-22 7:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 9:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 9:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:13 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-22 13:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 17:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 2:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 16:08 ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Glenn Morris
2010-08-20 16:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:52 ` bzr smart server David Kastrup
2010-08-20 17:12 ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 23:02 ` bzr smart server Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21 8:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:46 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 15:45 ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-21 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:00 ` Eric Hanchrow
2010-08-21 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 14:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 17:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22 17:06 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-20 4:44 ` Locks on the Bzr repository Miles Bader
2010-08-20 4:52 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-20 6:22 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 16:54 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:12 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:43 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 16:48 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 17:08 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 17:32 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 17:29 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 21:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-20 9:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 9:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 16:26 ` Jay Belanger
2010-08-21 20:36 ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-21 22:05 ` bzr send workflow Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21 22:48 ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-22 5:26 ` No ChangeLog's (was: bzr send workflow) Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 8:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 12:29 ` bzr send workflow Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22 13:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 14:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-23 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23 5:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 15:03 ` Andy Wingo
2010-08-25 19:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-26 17:11 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-26 17:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-27 5:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-27 11:27 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-08-22 7:56 ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-22 13:44 ` bzr send workflow Miles Bader
2010-08-22 14:40 ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-23 4:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 5:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
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