Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r103590: Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r103590: Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 09:59, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

>  Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

This brings me grief on Windows, because there aren't that many
texinfo binary distributions out there for Windows.

makeinfo 4.8, which is very stable, does not grok UTF-8:

  makeinfo --force --enable-encoding -I. emacs.texi
  emacs.texi:33: warning: unrecognized encoding name `UTF-8'.

and makeinfo 4.13a (the current one at GnuWin32) is buggy as hell and
just crashes.

ISTR Eli's said that he builds his own texinfo,but that's a bit of overkill...

    Juanma

Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r103590: Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

[Glenn Morris]

Juanma Barranquero wrote:

> This brings me grief on Windows, because there aren't that many
> texinfo binary distributions out there for Windows.

Oh dear. The suggestion came from an MS Windows user, BTW.

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3501

Most messages are pointless until

http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3501#70
 
    Yes, of course, we should now use utf-8 for that Texinfo file and
    pass --enable-encoding to makeinfo.

Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r103590: Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

[Juanma Barranquero]

> Oh dear. The suggestion came from an MS Windows user, BTW.

I'd sure like to know what version of texinfo he's using and were did he get it.

> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3501#70
>
>    Yes, of course, we should now use utf-8 for that Texinfo file and
>    pass --enable-encoding to makeinfo.

Apparently, there are dissenting opinions. Count mine, too, unless a
suitable binary tarball for Windows can be found somewhere...

    Juanma

Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r103590: Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:14:26 +0100
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 09:59, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> >  Convert some names in texinfo files to UTF-8.
> 
> This brings me grief on Windows, because there aren't that many
> texinfo binary distributions out there for Windows.
> 
> makeinfo 4.8, which is very stable, does not grok UTF-8:
> 
>   makeinfo --force --enable-encoding -I. emacs.texi
>   emacs.texi:33: warning: unrecognized encoding name `UTF-8'.
> 
> and makeinfo 4.13a (the current one at GnuWin32) is buggy as hell and
> just crashes.
> 
> ISTR Eli's said that he builds his own texinfo,but that's a bit of overkill...

No, I use the same v4.8 you do, so it doesn't work for me either.

I think we should just revert this change, because it will cause grief
to TeX as well, AFAIK.  It is a well known (and unfortunate) fact that
Texinfo doesn't lend itself well to i18n.