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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "as-is" rule
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:02:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837h2h5ysc.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv7h2h7l9f.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:20:27 -0500
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > See bug #10164: I've been hit by code re-ordering under the "as-is" rule.
> > I asked before, but no one replied: is there a place where I can read
> > the description of conditions that _disallow_ such reordering?
> 
> I think you've hit a bug in gcc in this case: "e1 || e2" should not
> evaluate e2 if e1 evaluates to non-0.

This is what I always knew: that `e1 || e2 || e3' are evaluated left
to right.  But I understand the "as-is" rule relaxed that.  Or maybe
I'm confused (which is why I asked the question in the first place).

> The as-is rule allows gcc to run
> any part of e2 (or any other code for that matter) at any time it feels
> like, but only if you can't tell the difference, and in this case we can
> definitely tell the difference.

How do you mean "we can tell the difference"?  In general, if the
"left-to-right evaluation" rule is no longer a must, e1, e2, and e3
could have been evaluated in _any_ order, and then if one of them is
non-zero, the condition holds.  No?

Again, I'm utterly confused about this issue.  If someone can explain
or point me to an existing explanation, I'd be grateful.

> BTW, I don't like this "#if XASSERTS" and would hence much prefer
> 
> 	      xassert ((row->enabled_p && !row->mode_line_p)
> 		       ? verify_row_hash (row) : 1);

If we are dealing with a compiler bug, how can we be sure this
expression will not hit the same bug?

Anyway, I eventually removed the assertion altogether, so this is a
moot point now.



  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-30 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-30 12:35 "as-is" rule Eli Zaretskii
2011-11-30 13:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-11-30 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-11-30 17:02   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-11-30 19:09     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-11-30 18:44   ` Samuel Bronson

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