From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:03:22 +0300 Message-ID: <837gjwylhh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366556658 1509 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2013 15:04:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 17:04:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvoU-0005zq-HP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:04:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57761 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvoU-00015V-0a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvoQ-00015I-Nb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvoP-0005j2-AA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:04:18 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvoP-0005iy-6r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvt0-00010F-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.13665569223809 (code B ref 14233); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2013 15:08:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvsf-0000zM-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:40652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTvsa-0000zA-JB for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:08:37 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MLM00M001SHUB00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:03:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MLM00MT11TT16H0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:03:30 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73554 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:26:10 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: rgm@gnu.org, esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org > > > a tool bar is just another > > window, so its size should be included in the frame's text height. > > What am I missing? What is exactly that we are disagreeing about > > here? > > OK. But if the criterion to count something in the text height is that > of being "just another window", we shouldn't include the display margins > in the text width. Display margins are certainly a part of window text. > > Which part of "width of FRAME, measured in > > characters" is unclear? > > A frame, according to the Elisp manual, is a screen object that contains > one or more Emacs windows. When with emacs -Q I evaluate (frame-width) > and (window-width) I get the values 80. If I split the window into two > side-by-side windows (frame-width) still evaluates to 80, but for both > emanating windows (window-width) evaluates to 38. Somehow 4 characters > got lost in a black hole. And bug#14222 demonstrates that Emacs itself > sometimes doesn't understand its own nomenclature. So you are saying that the doc strings leave a lot in the fog, I guess.