From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Defending GCC considered futile Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:14:17 +0200 Message-ID: <837fvo77dy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150207202952.1042BC00A6@snark.thyrsus.com> <87wq3rocqb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150209172445.290dc20e@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20150211104229.2782cb00@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423671299 2552 80.91.229.3 (11 Feb 2015 16:14:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Perry E. Metzger" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 11 17:14:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLZw8-0005l0-Hb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:14:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45743 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLZw7-0001uj-OA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:14:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56726) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLZvu-0001ud-CX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:14:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLZvp-0007qD-Eu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:14:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:46359) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLZvp-0007ps-72; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:14:29 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NJM00E0078W0800@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:06:09 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NJM00CSJ7E9ZN10@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:06:09 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20150211104229.2782cb00@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182900 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:42:29 -0500 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" > Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0500 Richard Stallman > wrote: > > > > > Because the rest of the compiler wasn't intentionally > > > made non-modular, > > > > Neither was GCC. > > > > I wrote GCC to be as modular as I knew how to do -- while getting it > > to work as fast as I could. Maybe I could have made it more modular > > if I had worked on it slowly for ten years aiming for elegance, but > > it was imperative to have a compiler as soon as possible > > so as to have a GNU system as soon as possible. > > Yes, but that was long ago. More recently people have worked to make > GCC more modular and to re-use of GCC for other work, but much such > work seems to have been discouraged. Modularizing GCC is not discouraged. It actually happens as we speak, check out the latest developments in GCC 5 and GDB.