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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: v.schneidermann@gmail.com, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com,
	20727@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20727: 24.5; Font fallback doesn't work for the Emoji range
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:37:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837fr6p4wn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <557DA863.3040009@cs.ucla.edu>

> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 09:14:27 -0700
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> CC: v.schneidermann@gmail.com, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 
>  20727@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I'm not sure, but I found that my ~/.emacs file, at the end, said 
> "(custom-set-faces)" -- something I didn't put in there, but I suppose I ran 
> "customize" at some point in the unremembered past, though I don't remember ever 
> customizing fonts.  I suppose the settings installed by custom-set-faces, 
> whatever they are, alter the fonts installed by the recent change, and this 
> messes up my testing.  (Possibly they saved faces calculated *before* the recent 
> change to Emacs, and custom-set-faces is trying to restore them?)  I will 
> comment out the customization code before doing further testing, but these are 
> the sorts of glitches that I fear will affect other users.

We will have to wait and see, I guess.  I hope the problems will not
be acute, mostly when someone already have fontset customizations, and
therefore can adapt.

> U+201F DOUBLE HIGH-REVERSED-9 QUOTATION MARK now displays as 
> xft:-unknown-Symbola-normal-normal-semicondensed-*-17-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 
> (#x39B) which is spidery, whereas it formerly displayed as 
> xft:-unknown-FreeMono-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x8A8) 
> which is more legible.
> 
> U+204F REVERSED SEMICOLON has a similar problem.
> 
> U+2047 DOUBLE QUESTION MARK
> U+2048 QUESTION EXCLAMATION MARK
> U+2049 EXCLAMATION QUESTION MARK
> are too large in Symbola; the old FreeMono version was better.

These are all in the General Punctuation block.  FreeMono covers only
about one third of the block (40 characters out of 111); Symbola
covers all of them.  It's a simple change to prefer FreeMono for those
characters that it supports (after all, FreeMono is a GNU font), but
won't that have adverse effect if some other punctuation characters,
unsupported by FreeMono, will have to be displayed?  You can try
something like

  (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" '(#x2047 . #x204B) "FreeMono")

and then try typing characters from this range and also a few outside
of it, but still between 2000..206F -- is the result acceptable?  It
looks weird on my system, but I think I'm less sensitive to these
issues, so I'm not sure about others.

> The currency symbols look worse than before: they used to be constant-width 
> (most of them anyway) and matched Ubuntu Mono better.  Perhaps we should leave 
> them alone?

Which font did they use before?

In general, most fonts support only a handful of characters in the
Currency Symbol block.  I left only the Euro sign, which is almost
universally supported, out of Symbola coverage.  I could add a few
more to the exempted codepoints, or indeed leave out the entire block,
but then we could risk boxes with hex code with some fonts.

> Thanks for doing all this -- it must have taken you quite some time.

You're welcome.  Yes, that's a lot of mundane work, but someone needs
to do it.





  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-14 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-03 17:22 bug#20727: 24.5; Font fallback doesn't work for the Emoji range Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-06-03 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-03 20:32   ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-06-07 18:09   ` Glenn Morris
2015-06-07 19:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-08  0:15       ` Glenn Morris
2015-06-08  2:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-08  5:43           ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-06-08 14:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-08 14:52               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-08 18:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-09 11:48                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-09 15:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-09 16:29                       ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-09 16:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-12 16:05                           ` Glenn Morris
2015-06-12 19:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-08 15:59               ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-06-12 20:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13  7:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13  7:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13  9:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 11:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 16:01       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13 16:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 17:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 17:10             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13 18:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 19:02                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13 19:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 17:07           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13 17:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 18:47               ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-13 19:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-13 21:19                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-14  2:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-14 15:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-14 16:14                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-14 17:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-06-14 20:39                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 16:14                             ` Eli Zaretskii

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