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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
Cc: 21435@debbugs.gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org
Subject: bug#21435: 25.0.50; file-notify has problems after renames
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:45:13 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837fny5ldi.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87si6mttsf.fsf@gmx.de>

> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
> Cc: tsdh@gnu.org,  21435@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:09:36 +0200
> 
> file-notify-handle-event' is called directly by the low-level library,
> w32notify here. It sends the events
> 
> (file-notify (100286608 removed "xxx"))
> (file-notify (100286608 added "xxx"))
> (file-notify (100286560 removed "xxx"))

Yes.

> The first two events are raised by the file name handler for d:/usr/eli/data.
> Maybe "xxx" did exist already in that directory?

No, it didn't.  I don't know why w32 sends this strange notification,
but the fact is it does.  (That doesn't happen when moving a
directory, btw, only when moving files.)

> The last event comes from from file name handler for d:/tmp - this looks
> OK. Well, the order of the events is not as expected (the third event
> shall be the first one), but we never gave a promise for a canonical order.
> 
> I would say, that w32notify does not send the renamed-from and
> renamed-to events, as expected. Maybe they are sent only in case of
> renaming a file in the same directory?

Yes, that's exactly what happens.  Which IMO is entirely reasonable,
since each watch watches only a single directory.  That inotify has
some kind of "global" perspective on such rename events is a bonus,
but we cannot expect that.

This, of course, breaks the basic assumption of the design intended to
provide this feature:

> Two days ago (commit dbdc459a48091f5953faf14bcaaa7e6d37fbf024), I've
> changed filenotify.el to fire 2 events `renamed' in case the directories
> of the source and target are different. This was triggered by a user
> report, that he wants to have auto-revert-mode for two different
> directories under dired control. So the event is sent for the two
> different handlers activated by the respective *-add-watch calls.

The design expects 2 'move'/'renamed' events, but that's not
guaranteed, and doesn't happen on w32.  If we want to conflate
'removed' followed by 'added' into a rename across directories, we
will need changes in filenotify.el, and will risk false positives,
because it could really be a deletion followed by a creation of a file
by the same name.

However, if all we want is to make sure the destination directory gets
a notification (so it could auto-revert), then this already happens on
MS-Windows (see the 'created' event above), and therefore nothing
should be done on Windows to support the user request above.

Therefore, I submit that a better solution would be to make inotify
emulate what w32notify does, i.e. produce a synthetic 'added' event in
the destination directory when we get a 'moved-to' event that
specifies a destination directory different from the source.

Finally, two more comments about this:

 . I wish such changes were discussed, and the various alternatives
   examined, before the code is changed

 . I'm not sure this kind of non-trivial logic is something that
   belongs to filenotify.el; it could well have a better place in
   auto-revert.el instead, as that is the level where the logic is
   needed and understood, or even in the Dired-specific function that
   auto-reverts a directory





  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-10 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-08  8:47 bug#21435: 25.0.50; file-notify has problems after renames Tassilo Horn
2015-09-08 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-08 18:04   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-08 18:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-08 19:28       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-09 18:15         ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-09 19:01           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-09 20:23             ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-10 11:23               ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-10 15:31                 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-10 17:50                   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-10 19:22                     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-11  9:53                       ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-11 12:17                         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-11 12:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-12  8:44                           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-11  9:45                     ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-11 12:11                       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-09 18:41       ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-09 19:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-10 11:09           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-10 15:45             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-09-10 17:37               ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-10 18:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-10 18:20                   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-10 18:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-11 12:51                       ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-08 19:05   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-08 19:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-08 19:47       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-09  2:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-09  6:13           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-20 17:26 ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-20 19:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21  6:25     ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-21  7:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 10:13         ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-21 10:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 13:11             ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-21 13:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 13:38                 ` Michael Albinus

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