all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Anders Lindgren <andlind@gmail.com>
Cc: 22169@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22169: 25.0.50; File name compiletion doesn't work with non-ASCII characters on OS X
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:15:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837fkcxglq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABr8ebZVS2bxP6ZgK2hJqj+B+vX5iekGBjK-R0V2UpciP6jSTQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from Anders Lindgren on Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:38:08 +0100)

> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:38:08 +0100
> From: Anders Lindgren <andlind@gmail.com>
> Cc: 22169@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I was just trying to follow the pattern in ns-win.el, there are a number of
> requires at the beginning, after a comment saying ";; Documentation-purposes
> only: actually loaded in loadup.el."
> 
> I can easily drop the line, if you think it's better.

I see other files do the same, so I'm probably missing something
here.  Let's leave that as you wrote it.

> > I rather think it's a non-starter, at least for Emacs 25.1. It
> > probably means users of all systems will be punished by slower
> > directory searches, on behalf of one peculiar filesystem. Unless
> > there's some clever idea that avoids decoding each file name returned
> > by readdir, that is.
> 
> The eternal question of correctness versus speed...

No, it's correctness on one platform vs speed on all the rest.

> My gut feeling is that the time it takes to decode the file names is dwarfed by
> the time it takes to read the file list from the harddisk (this needs to be
> verified, of course).

I think you should time this.  My gut feeling is the other way around,
for several reasons:

  . reading file entries in a directory is essentially a system call,
    that is usually highly optimized code

  . modern OSes cache this stuff, so you can do that without ever
    hitting the disk

  . many modern machines have SSDs (mine does), where disk drive
    accesses, even when they are needed, are very fast

  . by contrast, decoding a non-trivial encoding might take many CPU
    cycles, especially in the utf-8-hfs case, where we call Lisp as
    part of that

Nevertheless, my gut feeling could also be false.  We should time
that.

> In addition, for systems like Linux, encoding and decoding are
> no-ops (as both the source and destination is UTF-8), so there won't
> be a penalty there.

Yes, but only in UTF-8 locales.  I won't be surprised to learn that
most of Far East uses something else, even on GNU/Linux.  And then
there are Windows volumes mounted via NFS and such likes.

> I agree that this is not a project for Emacs 25.1 -- however, I think that we
> should at explore this for future versions. I suggest that we push the current
> patch (after dropping the `require' line), close the current issue, and post a
> new bug report suggesting performing the completion on decoded strings.

I have a simpler idea for fixing the issue without decoding every file
in a directory.  Please wait for a couple of days.

(There's no need for another bug report, we could continue solving the
left-over problem as part of this one.)





  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-14 19:08 bug#22169: 25.0.50; File name compiletion doesn't work with non-ASCII characters on OS X Anders Lindgren
2015-12-14 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-14 21:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-14 22:07     ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-15  3:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-15  5:12         ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-15  9:31           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-12-15 10:21             ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-15 16:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-15 15:58           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-15 19:16             ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-15 19:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-15 20:05                 ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-17 22:01                   ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-18  2:46                     ` Random832
2015-12-18  6:29                     ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-18  7:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18 15:26                         ` Random832
2015-12-18 17:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 17:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 19:16                           ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-20 19:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-20 22:00                               ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-21  3:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-21  6:52                                   ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-21 16:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-21 22:03                                       ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-22  3:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-22  5:42                                           ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-22 17:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-22 22:29                                               ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-23  3:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-23  6:17                                                   ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-23 17:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-24 19:23                                                       ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-24 19:33                                                         ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-24 19:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18  7:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-18  8:38                       ` Anders Lindgren
2015-12-18  9:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-12-18 15:42                           ` Random832
2015-12-15 21:53                 ` Random832
2015-12-16  3:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-16  5:05                     ` Random832
2015-12-16 10:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-16 16:00                         ` Random832
2015-12-16 17:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-16 18:19                             ` Random832
2015-12-16 18:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-14 20:49 ` Random832
2015-12-14 22:41 ` bug#22169: 25.0.50; File name compiletion doesn't work with non-ASCII ch Anders Lindgren

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=837fkcxglq.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=22169@debbugs.gnu.org \
    --cc=andlind@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.