From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22291: 25.1.50; REGRESSION: Emacs 24.3 breaks loading cl-macs to get macro `case' Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 19:44:44 +0200 Message-ID: <837fjrc1v7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<61b4ebe0-446c-49df-b5d1-c527a47192b5@default>> <<83a8oocr7i.fsf@gnu.org>> <7059fd9d-4ec3-4910-9aa2-f8c07ba9fe01@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451756781 14546 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2016 17:46:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22291-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 02 18:46:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFl-0008UB-Ud for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:46:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39174 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFl-0001FQ-1D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:46:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39773) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFh-0001Dz-V5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:46:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFe-0000Lz-Nl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47266) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFe-0000Lq-Ki for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFe-0005Tz-GT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:46:02 -0500 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 17:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 22291 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Mail-Followup-To: 22291@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Original-Received: via spool by 22291-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D22291.145175674021040 (code D ref 22291); Sat, 02 Jan 2016 17:46:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22291-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2016 17:45:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFH-0005TI-Qq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:45:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQFF-0005T0-Hs for 22291-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:45:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQF7-0000Gk-39 for 22291-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQF6-0000GQ-VQ; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:45:29 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1877 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aFQES-0000JE-Of; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:45:28 -0500 In-reply-to: <7059fd9d-4ec3-4910-9aa2-f8c07ba9fe01@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:28:02 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111116 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:28:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 22291@debbugs.gnu.org > > > IOW, this was a deliberate change, and you should either use 'cl-case' > > with Emacs versions since 24.3, or use 'cl' instead of 'cl-macs'. > > I know all of that. Just because something was decided does not mean > that that decision was the best decision possible, or even wise. > > This is a gratuitous change that breaks backward compatibility. That's > the point. Gratuitous - unnecessary. > > Personally I tend to require `cl', and at compile-time only, to get > such macros. But it is entirely reasonable that someone might require > `cl-macs' - at runtime or compile time - to get such a macro definition. > > And if some user does not compile the code that requires the library > that provides the macro, then s?he will now get the entire `cl' at > runtime, instead of getting only the much-smaller `cl-macs' at runtime. > > > OK? > > Not IMHO. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. >From my POV, this is not a bug, but a deliberate change that is well documented. Closing.