From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13949: 24.4.1; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:12:02 +0300 Message-ID: <837fgnzyr1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56F12360.5030301@ro.ru> <83y49a4hga.fsf@gnu.org> <56F1837D.4060300@ro.ru> <83io0e4b5r.fsf@gnu.org> <56F19203.5040501@ro.ru> <87a8lkd2bc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83lh54ynol.fsf@gnu.org> <87io08aqhr.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bn5zzzd3.fsf@gnu.org> <8737rbc3e7.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459095201 28193 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2016 16:13:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 27 18:13:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJN-0000K4-EQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:13:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36596 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJM-0001sQ-Ev for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42452) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJJ-0001sJ-8O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJG-0000kE-2X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJF-0000k9-Uq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDJF-0005Bh-Qu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:13:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13949 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13949-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13949.145909515419908 (code B ref 13949); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13949) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 16:12:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40297 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDIo-0005B1-5a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51218) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDIm-0005Aq-Pq for 13949@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDIe-0000RL-I3 for 13949@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:12:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57692) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDIe-0000RH-Ea; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:12:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3373 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1akDId-0004w9-Qj; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:12:24 -0400 In-reply-to: <8737rbc3e7.fsf@wanadoo.es> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:05:36 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115583 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:05:36 +0200 > > > emacs -Q > > C-x C-f README RET > > M-: (put-text-property 1 10 'myprop 'foo) RET > > > > Then look at the buffer-modified indication. > > Sorry, but AFAIK if some feature does this without a > with-silent-modifications wrapping it, a bug report would is in order, > right? No, I don't see why it should be a bug. The text property can be anything, including something that has a profound effect on how text is displayed, like 'invisible' or 'display'. > Again, the question nobody dares to answer: is there a legit case where > the user benefits from marking the buffer as modified after applying or > changing text properties? > > >From the lack of response so far, I guess that the answer is "no". This is the tail wagging the dog: we are not going to overturn a long-standing way Emacs works with text properties for the sake of a minor feature. If you really want this feature to be accepted, please find a way of doing that without any such notable effects, i.e. count changes in the text properties, if any, with the text changes.