From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:26:36 +0300 Message-ID: <837fcyonab.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <5775A512.4020803@gmail.com> <8337ntvm2d.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9c9lqll.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87eg78aqtx.fsf@mbork.pl> <83d1mroonu.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn2bc14k.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467815245 7244 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 14:27:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eric@ericabrahamsen.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 16:27:20 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnnH-00064a-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:27:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33815 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnnG-0000PZ-J7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:27:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnn6-0000NS-Dq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:27:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnn3-0001oP-2z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnn3-0001nm-0C; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4367 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnms-00075h-SV; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:26:51 -0400 In-reply-to: <87bn2bc14k.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:53:47 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205247 Archived-At: > From: Marcin Borkowski > Cc: rms@gnu.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:53:47 +0200 > > >> Org spreadsheet can use values in headline's properties. That _might_ > >> be tricky to do if it were a separate mode. > > > > Which, of course, flies in the face of your assertion that no previous > > knowledge of Org is needed before its features can be used. > > How? "Can" does not mean "must". But once you do, you have to use Org-specific commands and features to make that happen, instead of using standard Emacs features, like text properties etc. What's more, the file records these properties in Org-specific manner. > Yet, I use other features of Org on a daily basis. Surely, much more than just C-f, C-b, and TAB?