* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
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@ 2017-07-24 15:58 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-24 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24 16:38 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2017-07-24 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Andrew L. Moore
> branch: master
> commit 2ec8f28c59902ee1b533f9042c08f782422c2d86
> Author: Andrew L. Moore <slewsys@gmail.com>
> Commit: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>
> Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
[...]
> (defcustom executable-prefix "#!"
> - "Interpreter magic number prefix inserted when there was no magic number."
> - :version "24.3" ; "#! " -> "#!"
> + "Interpreter magic number prefix inserted when there was no magic number.
> +Use of `executable-prefix-env' is preferable to this option."
> + :version "26.1" ; deprecated
> :type 'string
> :group 'executable)
I don't think I've seen a :version bump used for "not new and no change
in default, but deprecated". Normally such things are instead marked
obsolete.
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-24 15:58 ` master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env' Glenn Morris
@ 2017-07-24 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-24 16:38 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-07-24 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: slewsys, emacs-devel
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:58:43 -0400
> Cc: "Andrew L. Moore" <slewsys@gmail.com>
>
>
> > (defcustom executable-prefix "#!"
> > - "Interpreter magic number prefix inserted when there was no magic number."
> > - :version "24.3" ; "#! " -> "#!"
> > + "Interpreter magic number prefix inserted when there was no magic number.
> > +Use of `executable-prefix-env' is preferable to this option."
> > + :version "26.1" ; deprecated
> > :type 'string
> > :group 'executable)
>
> I don't think I've seen a :version bump used for "not new and no change
> in default, but deprecated".
But do you see anything wrong with doing that? I didn't, so I left it
as submitted by the author.
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-24 15:58 ` master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env' Glenn Morris
2017-07-24 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-07-24 16:38 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-24 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24 18:57 ` Andrew L. Moore
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2017-07-24 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Andrew L. Moore
PS personally I don't see what was wrong with
(setq executable-prefix "#!/usr/bin/env ")'
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-06/msg00170.html
mentions safety concerns, but you always could, and still can, set it to
"#!/bin/rm " if you are so inclined. It's not even marked risky. But I
guess that would be pointless, since if someone could add a nasty
file-local setting, they could just directly add the #! line as well;
don't run scripts untrusted people can edit.
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-24 16:38 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2017-07-24 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24 18:57 ` Andrew L. Moore
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-07-24 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: slewsys, emacs-devel
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:38:19 -0400
> Cc: "Andrew L. Moore" <slewsys@gmail.com>
>
>
> PS personally I don't see what was wrong with
>
> (setq executable-prefix "#!/usr/bin/env ")'
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-06/msg00170.html
>
> mentions safety concerns, but you always could, and still can, set it to
> "#!/bin/rm " if you are so inclined. It's not even marked risky. But I
> guess that would be pointless, since if someone could add a nasty
> file-local setting, they could just directly add the #! line as well;
> don't run scripts untrusted people can edit.
Thanks for the feedback. I actually left the patch sitting tight for
more than a month, hoping to have comments, before I pushed it...
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-24 16:38 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-24 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-07-24 18:57 ` Andrew L. Moore
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Andrew L. Moore @ 2017-07-24 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>
> PS personally I don't see what was wrong with
>
> (setq executable-prefix "#!/usr/bin/env ")'
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-06/msg00170.html
Glenn,
If you're referring to the patch in it's original form, yes it’s more general,
but I agree with Eli that it’s pretty opaque.
Regarding “deprecation" of the variable `executable-prefix', there’s an argument
for not removing it: the path of env (i.e., “/usr/bin/env”) is not universal. On those
systems, the variable `executable-prefix’ would be a fallback. And indeed, the
updated patch is written so that if the variable `executable-prefix’ is anything other
than “#!” or “#!/usr/bin/env”, then it takes precedences over the value of
`executable-prefix-env’.
Okay, that explanation may be approaching opaque too, but if so, then let it be
another argument for simplicity over generality :)
-AM
> mentions safety concerns, but you always could, and still can, set it to
> "#!/bin/rm " if you are so inclined. It's not even marked risky. But I
> guess that would be pointless, since if someone could add a nasty
> file-local setting, they could just directly add the #! line as well;
> don't run scripts untrusted people can edit.
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-24 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2017-07-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-26 18:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2017-07-26 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: slewsys, emacs-devel
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> I don't think I've seen a :version bump used for "not new and no change
>> in default, but deprecated".
>
> But do you see anything wrong with doing that? I didn't, so I left it
> as submitted by the author.
It's not part of the documented meaning for :version ("This keyword
specifies that the item was first introduced in Emacs version VERSION,
or that its default value was changed in that version").
There's a standard method for deprecating options, to mark them
obsolete; so yes, I think using :version for that is wrong.
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* Re: master 2ec8f28: Introduce defcustom 'executable-prefix-env'
2017-07-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2017-07-26 18:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2017-07-26 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: slewsys, emacs-devel
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, slewsys@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:47:53 -0400
>
> > But do you see anything wrong with doing that? I didn't, so I left it
> > as submitted by the author.
>
> It's not part of the documented meaning for :version ("This keyword
> specifies that the item was first introduced in Emacs version VERSION,
> or that its default value was changed in that version").
Yes, it's not the "usual" meaning, but it sounded close enough to me.
> There's a standard method for deprecating options, to mark them
> obsolete; so yes, I think using :version for that is wrong.
I don't think we should deprecate it in the normal sense of that word.
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