From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28338: 25.2; Default fonts for Info Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:42:35 +0300 Message-ID: <837exfyej8.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1504453409 14109 195.159.176.226 (3 Sep 2017 15:43:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 15:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 28338@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 17:43:15 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doX3F-0002iQ-9F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54456 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX3M-0007LL-9G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:43:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX3C-0007Kf-Om for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX38-0006VL-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37889) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX37-0006VD-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doX37-00006z-PS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:43:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 15:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28338 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28338-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28338.1504453376419 (code B ref 28338); Sun, 03 Sep 2017 15:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28338) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2017 15:42:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46570 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doX32-00006g-68 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37189) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doX30-00006T-Dt for 28338@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:42:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX2q-0006PU-E5 for 28338@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:42:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52099) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doX2q-0006PQ-AJ; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:42:44 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3640 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1doX2p-00011n-Kx; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 11:42:44 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 3 Sep 2017 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:136543 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > The default font for most Info text is apparently this: > > -outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-17-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 > (#x48) > > The face used for face `Info-quoted' is apparently this: > > -outline-Consolas-normal-normal-normal-mono-17-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 > (#x97) Yes, that's true. > This is backward from what most technical doc uses. It is typical to > use a font such as Courier (or Courier New) for code. It is typical to > use a proportional font for ordinary text. The Consolas font used for > `Info-quoted' is not proportional, but it looks much more like a font > that one would see used for text than a font that is used for code. > > Would Emacs Info be more readable out of the box if the fonts were > swapped? Seems like using a font such as Courier for function and > variable names, keys, etc. might make more sense. Courier New is the default font on Windows, selected both for its wide-spread availability and its very good support for many scripts. Consolas has significantly smaller coverage, so swapping is not an option, at least not at this time. Since Courier New is the default, the face used for code needs to find another font, which is also wide-spread, monospaced, and looks reasonably well in this context. Consolas is about the only candidate that satisfies these requirements. So maybe this is sub-optimal wrt ideal typefaces, but the harsh reality leaves us no choice. > Personally, I'd prefer that the default font families be the same: > Courier (New) - as has always been the case before Emacs 25.2. (Was > this change in default behavior even discussed on emacs-devel@gnu.org?) There was no change, Courier New was and remains the default font. The only change is that Info-quoted is a new face introduced relatively recently. (It took us a few iterations to find a good font for that face.) > (I'd also prefer that a color be used by default to distinguish face > `Info-quoted', but I don't expect that suggestion to fly.) You can always customize the face to fit your taste, of course.