From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16074: 24.3.50; enhancement request: Remove "pop" from command names & doc for `C-(u|x) C-SPC' Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:26:03 +0300 Message-ID: <837e70h284.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y2zh94nz.fsf@gnus.org> <87a7bxm12m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="148026"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 16074@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 26 08:27:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i28TA-000cPy-EA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 08:27:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50198 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i28T9-0000F0-4p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i28T1-0000En-Gr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i28T0-0005A3-CQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i28T0-00059p-8V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i28T0-00016d-3C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:27:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 06:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16074 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 16074-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16074.15668007764180 (code B ref 16074); Mon, 26 Aug 2019 06:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2019 06:26:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45478 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i28SG-00015M-4M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:26:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i28SD-000158-Tb for 16074@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:26:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34661) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i28S6-0004m8-8u; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2845 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i28S2-0000hS-8E; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:26:06 -0400 In-reply-to: <87a7bxm12m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:09:45 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:165880 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:09:45 +0300 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , > 16074@debbugs.gnu.org > > > A position is NOT popped off the ring. That's what's > > wrong with all of these. Likewise, the doc in the > > manuals. > > > > The enhancement request is to fix this wrong > > terminology wrt BOTH `global-mark-ring' and > > `mark-ring'. > > And `yank' doesn't yank, and `kill' doesn't kill literally. And 'window' is not a window, it's a pane; and 'frame' is actually a window, etc. etc. > What is the most important is that docstrings should describe > the behavior in all details. The name is more a matter of taste. Indeed. Especially since what these functions really do is only slightly different from a literal "pop". We shouldn't waste our time on such renaming, IMO.