From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 09:57:59 +0300 Message-ID: <837ds6fpfs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34491"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 08:58:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOxyv-0008qp-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 08:58:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34768 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOxyu-0006N7-Cq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 02:58:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48474) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOxyH-0005wJ-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 02:58:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOxyF-0003xT-BO; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 02:58:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1616 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kOxy6-00056m-W5; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 02:58:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:49 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257012 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, eduardoochs@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:49 -0400 > > > > The server could report that you did so. > > > That is something that should be known about a server, isn't it? > > How could it ever be known? The same way we know that various proprietary operating systems and programs spy on their users: from people who investigate these issues and publish their findings. > > I think it's the other way around. I very rarely need to search for a > > single word, and when I do, I can use "M-s M-w" to do that, because > > search engines consult these dictionaries as well. > > Even if my local dictionary took more work to search, which it > doesn't, I would I always prefer my local dictionary over anything > that requires network communication. I think you are very unusual in this regard. I have a lot to do on my typical day, so every second of my time counts. I will use the most efficient means of getting the information I need as fast as possible. Today's Internet search engines make that possible, so I use them a lot.