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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Akira Kyle <ak@akirakyle.com>
Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yyoncho@gmail.com,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, all_but_last@163.com
Subject: Re: "Asynchronous Requests from Emacs Dynamic Modules"
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 20:28:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <837dr5exsq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86d00yexw7.fsf@akirakyle.com> (message from Akira Kyle on Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:14:32 -0600)

> From: Akira Kyle <ak@akirakyle.com>
> Cc: yyoncho@gmail.com, all_but_last@163.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
>  monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, p.stephani2@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:14:32 -0600
> 
> It seems the lisp threading functionality is still pretty beta 
> quality. Have the data races that Chris Wellons mentions here [1] 
> ever been addressed?

It's hard to tell, because that blog has no specifics, just a broad
accusation.  It is also quite old.

> It looks like it's mostly just exposing the pthread interface.

That's simply not true.  It _uses_ pthreads to start and manage
threads, and to implement mutexes, condvars, etc.  But if you look
closely at the level of thread.c (_not_ systhread.c), you will see
something very different from a typical pthreads application.

> What is the use case for the current lisp threads given the severe
> limitation that only will ever run at a time and the constraints the
> cooperative nature puts on when threads can switch?

The main use case is to allow you to write one or more background Lisp
programs that go about their job while a foreground command lets the
user interact normally with Emacs.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-01 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-30 21:35 "Asynchronous Requests from Emacs Dynamic Modules" Akira Kyle
2020-10-30 22:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-31  3:18 ` Zhu Zihao
2020-10-31  7:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31  8:02     ` yyoncho
2020-10-31  9:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31  9:45         ` yyoncho
2020-10-31 10:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31 19:25             ` Akira Kyle
2020-10-31 20:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01  0:14                 ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-01 18:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-11-01 20:15                     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-01 20:51                       ` async-await (was: Re: "Asynchronous Requests from Emacs Dynamic Modules") Philipp Stephani
2020-11-02 15:22                       ` "Asynchronous Requests from Emacs Dynamic Modules" Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-31  7:36 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-10-31 12:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-01 20:18     ` Akira Kyle
2020-11-01 20:32       ` Philipp Stephani
2020-11-20 15:54     ` Zhu Zihao
2020-11-20 16:04       ` Robert Pluim

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