From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 21:41:46 +0200 Message-ID: <837dnmpait.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <87y2g5smya.fsf@gmail.com> <4FF55FBF-573D-4A70-B3FC-682CA25B7ECB@gnu.org> <83lfc53whk.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203180142.seu6o3i6u7jhkyrh@Ergus> <83eehx3to5.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203221628.xgvvxjvh56gyswba@Ergus> <20210204070033.pm4ido4hq7a6twif@Ergus> <83sg6brhyg.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9b7orny.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25608"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 20:42:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8701-0006Z6-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:42:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60334 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8700-0003FW-4v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 14:42:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l86zH-0002oq-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 14:41:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52119) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l86zH-0005wZ-NB; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 14:41:51 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1239 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l86z6-0001XG-Oy; Fri, 05 Feb 2021 14:41:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:24:37 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264003 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:24:37 +0000 > Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > > > > More than that. Over that time, how often have people > > > asked for such a global binding? > > > > We never bother ourselves with such questions; never did. We consider > > ourselves to be aware and familiar enough with the Emacs usage > > landscape to make such decisions without polling users on each and > > every step, > > I think Richard was not talking about polling, there. > > I mentioned polling. You did, and Richard said "more than that". If that's not agreement, then I don't know what agreement is. > > In a case such as this one, when one of the maintainers says "this > > makes sense", I expect to hear technical arguments for or against that > > (btw, only agreements were heard when the original decision in this > > case was made), but I do NOT expect to hear "go ask the world because > > you don't really know what you are talking about". > > 1. I gave technical arguments. I've even repeated > them, since. Not relevant to the issues I raised. > 2. It's not true that only agreements were heard. > I expressed disagreement from the outset. You disagree with any suggestion to add new key bindings, so I long ago stopped taking your disagreements about these issues seriously. > I just asked _questions_: > > How do we know that? Users haven't been polled, > have they? "You just asked questions." Please don't insult my intelligence. I can read, you know. When I express an opinion and you say we cannot know that because there was no poll, how to interpret that other than a demand to make a poll before my opinion would count? And then Richard seconded that.