bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Xue Fuqiao]

In etc/TODO:

** Check if all items on the mode-line have a suitable tooltip for all
   modes.

After a brief check, I found 2 bugs related to this TODO item:

1. When I used `C-h i' to enter Info mode, "*info* (dir) Top" appeared
in the mode line, but "dir" does't have a suitable tooltip;

2. When I used `M-x shell' to run a subshell, the "run" in "(Shell:run)"
(i.e. the `mode-line-process') doesn't have a suitable tooltip.



In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.6.0)
 of 2013-02-17 on Emacs
Bzr revision: 111818 yamaoka@jpl.org-20130217124628-z5jn8jugxa68d36i
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version
11.0.11300000 System Description:	Ubuntu 12.10

Configured using:
 `configure --config-cache --enable-link-time-optimization'

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
<help-echo> <help-echo> <menu> r e - e m - b u g <tab> 
<return>

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-- 
Best regards, Xue Fuqiao.
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/XueFuqiao

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Glenn Morris]

Xue Fuqiao wrote:

> 1. When I used `C-h i' to enter Info mode, "*info* (dir) Top" appeared
> in the mode line, but "dir" does't have a suitable tooltip;
>
> 2. When I used `M-x shell' to run a subshell, the "run" in "(Shell:run)"
> (i.e. the `mode-line-process') doesn't have a suitable tooltip.

They both have factually correct tooltips.
In what way are they not suitable?
What would you replace them with?

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:26:57 -0500
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

> Xue Fuqiao wrote:
> > 1. When I used `C-h i' to enter Info mode, "*info* (dir) Top" appeared
> > in the mode line, but "dir" does't have a suitable tooltip;
> > 2. When I used `M-x shell' to run a subshell, the "run" in "(Shell:run)"
> > (i.e. the `mode-line-process') doesn't have a suitable tooltip.
> They both have factually correct tooltips.
> In what way are they not suitable?
> What would you replace them with?

Their tooltips are the same as the tooltips in the blank area of the mode-line.  Maybe they should have their own tooltips.

-- 
Best regards, Xue Fuqiao.
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/XueFuqiao

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Glenn Morris]

Xue Fuqiao wrote:

> Their tooltips are the same as the tooltips in the blank area of the
> mode-line. Maybe they should have their own tooltips.

And what would those tooltips say?

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:52:27 -0500
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

> Xue Fuqiao wrote:
> > Their tooltips are the same as the tooltips in the blank area of the
> > mode-line. Maybe they should have their own tooltips.
> And what would those tooltips say?

For reference only (I haven't thought much):

For info:
------------------------------------
|  Info file
|  mouse-1: Display file name
|  mouse-2: Go to top node of file
|  mouse-3: Index
------------------------------------

For shell:
------------------------------------
|  Process status
|  mouse-2: Kill process
------------------------------------

I think that "Info file" and "Process status" should be used at least, because there should be some introductory text, just like the `display-time-mode'.

-- 
Best regards, Xue Fuqiao.
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/XueFuqiao

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> I think that "Info file" and "Process status" should be used at least,
> because there should be some introductory text, just like the
> `display-time-mode'.

I've now added these short tooltips to those bits of the mode line in
Emacs 28.

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bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 12:37:02 +0200
> Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>, 13776@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I think that "Info file" and "Process status" should be used at least,
> > because there should be some introductory text, just like the
> > `display-time-mode'.
> 
> I've now added these short tooltips to those bits of the mode line in
> Emacs 28.

For Info, the tooltip now says "Info file name", but that's
inaccurate, because we show "elisp" when the file name is
"elisp.info", and when the file is "FOO.info.gz" we show "FOO.info"
(which is inconsistent, and is probably an unrelated bug).

Btw, why isn't there a similar explanation in the tooltip for the node
name?

bug#13776: 24.3.50; Some items on the mode-line don't have a suitable tooltip

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> For Info, the tooltip now says "Info file name", but that's
> inaccurate,

"Manual name" is slightly less wrong, perhaps, so I've changed it to that.

> because we show "elisp" when the file name is
> "elisp.info", and when the file is "FOO.info.gz" we show "FOO.info"
> (which is inconsistent, and is probably an unrelated bug).

And fixed that.

> Btw, why isn't there a similar explanation in the tooltip for the node
> name?

I don't know...  would it be useful there?  It's slightly more
self-evident what it is there.

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no