From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: [External] : Re: bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:36:55 +0300 Message-ID: <837de6akx4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> <87lf2nhy5u.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2390"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 400@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 09:37:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSda-0000Tr-8Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:37:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50250 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSdZ-0006fb-2M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:37:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSdK-0006eo-GF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSdK-00069I-5I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSdJ-0002tW-Rj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:37:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.163480181011109 (code B ref 400); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:37:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2021 07:36:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSd8-0002t7-IS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:36:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54172) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSd6-0002st-QO for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42096) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdSd0-0005s3-NV; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2007 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdScz-000390-Ur; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:36:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:26:19 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217756 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: Eli Zaretskii , "400@debbugs.gnu.org" <400@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:26:19 +0000 > Accept-Language: en-US > > > What about making the unlispified variable name into a button? It > > could offer to take you to *Help* or to *info*, for instance. > > Please read what I wrote about that today. Please assume that everyone does read and take note of what you wrote, and try not to reiterate that time and again, because doing so just increases the noise level without adding anything useful. > The Lisp name should appear (always), whether > the phony, non-Lisp "name" appears or not, and > whether or not the name is a link ("button") > to the real *Help*. Yes, you already said that. > Emacs should be leading users, including those > new to Lisp, toward Lisp, not away from it. > And this is especially the case when it comes > to knowledge about a user option. There's no > reason to hide the name of an option - quite > the contrary. Yes, you already said that.