From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60220: 29.0.60; macOS 13.1 crash shortly after starting Emacs Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 16:18:51 +0200 Message-ID: <837cy96kl0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24A595DF-81D8-47E7-90BC-FCDDB27315E8@gmail.com> <83ilhz2r14.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0wl0z6g.fsf@gnu.org> <204d542c-73e6-243a-f2d5-36b92cfa25ee@cs.ucla.edu> <83fscx70em.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37482"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 60220@debbugs.gnu.org To: Aaron Jensen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 15:19:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGEI-0009YA-Pa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 15:19:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGE1-0005GI-LS; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:19:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGE0-0005Ex-Ov for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDu-0000FB-4s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDu-0005qd-0g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:19:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 14:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60220 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 60220-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60220.167240994122471 (code B ref 60220); Fri, 30 Dec 2022 14:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60220) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2022 14:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDs-0005qN-QT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:19:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60398) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDq-0005q8-QF for 60220@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:59 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDk-0000E5-UJ; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=FW61JX7gCdcxofP6/lTbm+yrJCAtYPVCZpp0ERqxiyM=; b=jtIG0/b42IZl HZ0zOjrHbmm2TdPljHA5DKEyx4KbCdUQ+RdpxN0F9ZUWQKkb1FXFTQoZiQgLr0+CKWh662M/IW4iF 3Nh2d7g66pHsmBUdzBo5j5ksk9O7jBXd+N4POSYlkvEB6iO1j6dUjI1fuoMT8Oz+MEBs6mbqPMafJ a3InuK4QvboYxYhwbc8nX8eUU+2NX0c0tFTt7LgQjc9FkgpvmIfEKntVNrafpf8obkIjlvEHBVmdx tYI6/EKlFjoUetwI1nQR36BUL9z6GYbeC0YYvx8KHDEh3iDLPg/LutszYjwC8ZqfYJqyxrCcuAkfS IEGFkyrb3jjVaXzv+0FASA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pBGDk-0000QK-8h; Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Aaron Jensen on Fri, 30 Dec 2022 08:36:25 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:252119 Archived-At: > From: Aaron Jensen > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 08:36:25 -0500 > Cc: Paul Eggert , gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 60220@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Can you explain why you think loading shared libraries from an Emacs > > idle timer could be dangerous? I don't think I understand that. > > I've already disproven this. I can reproduce a crash with just an > after-init hook loading several features. I've seen that, but since we don't have a reasonable explanation for the crashes, I don't think your reproduction is evidence that Paul's fears, whatever they are, are necessarily incorrect. The mere fact that you can trigger the crash in a different scenario doesn't yet mean the original scenario has nothing to do with the problem. This kind of conclusions can only be drawn once the reason is fully understood, and we are not there yet.