From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 07:23:30 +0300 Message-ID: <837cphkta5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <2712bd87-906e-1e6e-71c0-8907dac43498@gutov.dev> <838r9xlhvb.fsf@gnu.org> <05f82108-7654-4d1c-6a4b-4c0edef59350@gutov.dev> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9621"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 27 06:24:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qa7Jp-0002Jk-DL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:24:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qa7Jc-0000Cc-Ot; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 00:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qa7JZ-0000CR-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 00:23:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qa7JY-0008Uc-QW; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 00:23:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Qs6CqNLHMiRkNtKshUZPmUatAHLeVYXaES1wfg8P2M8=; b=eCdS7feo5Wtp JR0yGtfZLAXVtb5k/OTV+pCx6bJXyXnYMqcoGqZ+5E6k8Yo6xZwVtOg2keudn2Bgl+be/tk7g2s1E Z2vJOYN0GLJqF9Pt+sCJVB0JY5SbYzC81PEVXhJdpEUlLY+y6Dw4YF1d3ywLxT37jORLUBHuqFvek mr7FHS95jtoz2hEbvgrGVyhXLleiczTUoolLudjlv0v0n26DbkUE6tE8GFn+6FOnMNc37Ef7Dr8+h HG+s6Qutr/ytKBiCw4H9QbUVd+7y5LFxBzJ/lXwH0/DaUb+T3AFXpOfJH8O9ibZ1hE0sajIjM6eCB iC5ADIkjBe3eJy4E2g/bsA==; In-Reply-To: <05f82108-7654-4d1c-6a4b-4c0edef59350@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:48:42 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309302 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:48:42 +0300 > Cc: danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 26/08/2023 22:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:09:47 +0300 > >> Cc:danny@dfreeman.email,stefankangas@gmail.com,philipk@posteo.net, > >> emacs-devel@gnu.org,manuel.uberti@inventati.org > >> From: Dmitry Gutov > >> > >> On 26/08/2023 22:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>>> Or the longevity stems from other reasons (e.g. good fundamental ideas, > >>>> unique proposition, being part of the original GNU system, ...), and the > >>>> development process is the reason the current user base is a fraction of > >>>> even Vim's (not to mention popular commercial offerings). > >>>> > >>>> Just an alternative POV to consider. In truth, could be a little of both. > >>> Mine wasn't a POV, it was an observation based on many years of > >>> watching the development and being part of it. > >> Are you talking about Emacs as a whole, or sub-packages inside it? > > The former, of course. > > Then I don't see what your baseline is. The state of Emacs, its features (both editing and display), its continued development, and the quality of its code and documentation. > I used Vim as an example (30 years old project, more popular these days, > in part thanks to NeoVim). Does Vim or NeoVim support bidirectional editing?