From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67185: Small bug in the Introduction to Elisp manual Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:19:01 +0200 Message-ID: <837cmgq23e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83edgrrz0h.fsf@gnu.org> <837cmirex3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12022"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rphodges@gmail.com, 67185@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 17 08:20:26 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t9N-0002sp-3y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 08:20:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t92-00024V-Ma; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:20:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t90-00023V-BX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t8z-0005VE-Vx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t8z-0001QI-To for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:20:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67185 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 67185-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67185.17002055655396 (code B ref 67185); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 07:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67185) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2023 07:19:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t8O-0001Oy-KS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:19:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t8L-0001Oh-OJ for 67185@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3t8G-0005Oc-5f; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:19:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=bfnOJtTyVbccEFb9X1vfdQHDoAZ1Mt04qTTkTN/kIrk=; b=LDLIyafXkC2pcdcyjLGr y44zjmxcd92nWsZKTx4C7Xj9c7xowgTmguZMk6mA8ty9sdXDm7MpD9PlnungsCeoP1wx6+3plfqVU iZHORcJvBad/998fZuEl4oEf3+2AVUV0y9KFOWjy6kCiiAxcCC1ea1e0dAEV3SOii1/R5Pq1XBPGs M4hlkX0q4Kak7iMpRL5PqRF+KhmOhV/Cd+3bKfvWVEnsgZKDyefpKUmmIjUC5ot/Hw+LYcFciO6Gs 1Tm98svzaINfE7MQLz6LfwGwfFTb5ruO0H7+urpW6VCg3Ns5sCRym615JRenttds1sKKOOQc6rkiu fvdPgU91wPX0Ow==; In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:56:29 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:274489 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 67185@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:56:29 -0500 > > We should use logical terms such as "converse" only in the strictly correct > logical sense. "Converse" is not correct here. > > "Inverse" also has a specific mathematical meaning, which doesn't fit > here. > > What should se use here? I think "opposite" is the best word. That manual uses "converse" and "conversely" about half a dozen times: are all of them incorrect, and actually mean "opposite" or maybe "by contrast"? > > > > "The ‘kill-region’ function definition also has an ‘unless’ macro; it > > > > is the opposite of ‘when’. > > If people are asking me to review more of the text, would someone please > send me the entire passage I whoudl review? The passage was in the original message. I reproduce its Texinfo source below: The @code{kill-region} function definition also has an @code{unless} macro; it is the converse of @code{when}. The @code{unless} macro is an @code{if} without a then clause