From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: select-active-regions Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:20:27 +0300 Message-ID: <8363dopgqc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83zlb2p79y.fsf@gnu.org> <4A61D0F6.5040901@harpegolden.net> <83skgup04t.fsf@gnu.org> <87ws6613c7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <83ocrhq1sk.fsf@gnu.org> <4A6218EE.8@harpegolden.net> <83iqhppzg5.fsf@gnu.org> <4A63309E.7050903@gnu.org> <83eiscpo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <4A6375B5.1090406@harpegolden.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248034850 2799 80.91.229.12 (19 Jul 2009 20:20:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 19 22:20:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MScsE-0007RF-90 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:20:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MScsD-0004rT-Ll for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:20:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MScs8-0004rI-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:20:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MScs6-0004r5-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:20:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49704 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MScs6-0004r2-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:20:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]:38257) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MScs2-0002hn-AL; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:20:30 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KN100J00OUGIU00@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:20:28 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.246.110]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KN10008VPU3OSH0@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:20:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <4A6375B5.1090406@harpegolden.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112772 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:36:21 +0100 > From: David De La Harpe Golden > CC: Jason Rumney , cyd@stupidchicken.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > It's analogous in the sense that killing puts text there and yanking > > gets text from there. > > > > > When killing, emacs on X11 places text in > primary if x-select-enable-primary is t > clipboard if x-select-enable-clipboard is t > > When yanking, emacs on x11 gets text from > primary if x-select-enable-primary is t > clipboard if x-select-enable-clipboard is t Since Windows only has the clipboard, putting and getting text from there is the best it can do to emulate X in this regard. > i.e. If I'm used to select-active-regions working without clobbering the > clipboard on X11, why the holy hell should it clobber the clipboard on > Windows? As I explained elsewhere in this thread, Emacs on DOS and Windows thrashes the clipboard all the time anyway. So anyone using Emacs on Windows ought to be accustomed to that already. I know I am. > You've missed the option of having it work as on x11 for emacs-emacs > interactions (that is _not_ "effectively disabled") but not copying to > the clipboard. If we want such an option to be available to non-X platforms, we should let users customize it in ways that are not specific to X. What we have now in that area is horribly system-dependent. Introduce a portable customizable option for separating these two features, and I'm with you. > I don't know why, other than the possibility you've > misunderstood some or all of X11 clipboard, X11 primary, or the purpose > of select-active-regions. Well, I did ask for a detailed explanation.