From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Git to manage your Emacs changes Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:36:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83633g1tbb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87aaswaf2t.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4A1FFF2C-5794-4D58-B26B-07CD7FC0BB74@gmail.com> <83d3xs4jw5.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbn2a7fk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <877hnwj2ft.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87vdbghcgy.fsf@notengoamigos.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272141410 28742 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2010 20:36:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Earl Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 24 22:36:49 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m5o-0004rx-KT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:36:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47171 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m5o-0006vE-1c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m5i-0006uF-S9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52769 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5m5h-0006t7-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m5f-00044y-GG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:63296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5m5f-00044o-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:36:39 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1E00G00EF3J400@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:36:37 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1E0090DEL0VYJ0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:36:37 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87vdbghcgy.fsf@notengoamigos.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124182 Archived-At: > From: Jason Earl > Cc: rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, tzz@lifelogs.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, david.reitter@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:33:49 -0600 > > Bazaar has this marked as a bug (wishlist), but they are essentially > waiting for someone to come up with a way to make texinfo documentation > from their existing rst documentation. In fact, it could easily be > argued that they are moving farther away from texinfo as they have moved > from simply requiring docutils to requiring the more complicated sphinx > documentation build system. If Bazaar developers want help in automatic conversion of their docs system to Texinfo, they should talk to Texinfo maintainers. With the upcoming switch from makeinfo written in C to texi2html written in Perl, it may be easier to add additional translators; at least that was the theory and the justification for the switch. > My question, and I ask this as a person whose one small contribution to > GNU is that I helped (a bit) with the conversion of the Emacs repo from > CVS to bzr, is why pretend that Bazaar is part of the GNU project when > the GNU developers (and systems administrators) seem to overwhelmingly > prefer git? Worse, they are actively trying to undermine Bazaar, > including long discussions on how to circumvent Bazaar on this very > list. > > Dump bzr and make git part of the GNU "system," if that is what it > takes, but do not pretend that Bazaar is part of the GNU project when > clearly it is not. Please do not exaggerate, and please do not generalize too much from what you've heard here. There are definitely several people who were discussing git, but I would not recommend concluding that they represent the ``overwhelming'' part of Emacs developers. They certainly do not represent me. I'm using Bazaar, and I do not intend to switch to git any time soon. > Bazaar has received nothing but bad publicity from the switch, and > the Emacs development group appears to have been hampered more than > helped I think both of these assertions are false. I definitely feel that Bazaar helps me more than CVS did. I do hope that Savannah will switch to the smart server some time this century, and I definitely would love to see Bazaar need less bandwidth than it asks for now. Then the quality of my life as an Emacs developer will be better yet. But it has definitely improved already, since we switched. So I would like to thank you and others who've helped make that happen.