From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:20:51 +0300 Message-ID: <83631olfgc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <6D176B89214E4EE2B2B376B182E5B80F@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276338084 30192 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 10:21:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 12:21:22 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNq4-0007oo-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:21:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50332 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNq3-0004Aj-PZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:21:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48922 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNps-00049d-Cu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNpr-00089f-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:21:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:62102) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNpr-00089Y-2h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L3W00200CJTAH00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:20:52 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.119.36]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L3W00KPOCQR99C0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:20:52 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <6D176B89214E4EE2B2B376B182E5B80F@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125800 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:16:54 -0700 > Cc: > > Why should a change in text-insertion direction cause lots of directional > keys/commands to flip (but not all, apparently)? The directional keys do not flip. > > If "forward" doesn't really mean forward in the text, > > What about forward in the _buffer_? It's the same thing. "Forward" means in the order of increasing character positions. > Should `forward-char' reflect the R2L/L2R quality of the surrounding chars, or > should it just reflect the buffer directionality (bob -> eob)? The latter. That is what logical order is all about. > What about beginning of buffer? Should it sometimes become end of > buffer? No. > Should that happen only if the entire buffer is R2L? No. > Anyone smell a can of worms around here? No. > But for the ordinary cursor movements, I still raise the naive question: Why not > just let "forward" be toward eob? It _is_ toward EOB. And it should never be changed.