From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: IDE versus emacs Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:47 +0200 Message-ID: <83626q7zvk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83d30y87yi.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1349401841 23959 80.91.229.3 (5 Oct 2012 01:50:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 01:50:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 05 03:50:47 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TJx3j-0005tv-IK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:50:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52900 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TJruZ-00028y-92 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35761) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TJruR-000269-TY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:20:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TJruQ-0004sK-B2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:20:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:38649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TJruQ-0004og-3T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:20:38 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBD00G00XO6F800@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:34 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBD00G92XU89N60@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:20:32 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:87050 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 15:41:23 -0400 > From: Wally Lepore > > Thank you Eli. Yes this sure looks like the real deal for sure. Thank > you very much. However I will most certainly have further questions > after this initial reply please and would like to know if this is the > proper mailing list to continue on with this thread/question? The MinGW mailing list, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, is a much better place, since your questions have little to do with Emacs. > I assume this is the home page for MinGW -> http://mingw.org/ > Is GDB part of the download for MinGW? Yes. > I found the separate download for GDB here -> > http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/download/ These are sources. You will be much better off with precompiled binaries. > Also, getting back to MinGW please. I found this interesting link > http://mingw.org/wiki/New_to_MinGW > and it appears they are suggesting I download and install additional files. > Part of the page said: > > -- begin -- > > Download and extract > > Because there are many things to use (compiler, linker, utils, API, > etc.) you need to download several files: > - gcc the compiler > - mingwrt the Mingw Runtime system > - w32api the Windows Application Programming Interface > - binutils linker, profiling, windows resources, etc. > - make which gathers all "things to do" to achieve your program > - gdb a great debugger to look inside your app while it is running That's the basic setup, yes. > >> Linker: ? > > > > GNU Binutils, from MinGW. You have no other choices if your compiler > > is GCC. > > Ok, then I assume GNU Binutils is included in MinGW? Yes, see above: it's in the list you cited. > >> Standard "C" Library: ? > > > > Windows comes with one already, so you don't need anything. MinGW > > runtime and headers come with a small set of additional functions that > > are missing or grossly misfeatured in the MS-provided standard library > > that is part of Windows. > > Ok, but it sure sounds scary having to rely on Windows C Library. I > guess I should be ok with it....... correct? You'll be fine. Everyone else is. > >> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html > >> http://www.gnutoolchains.com/ > > > > These are old and unmaintained. Some of them are even badly broken. > > I recommend to look on the MinGW site first, and then here: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ezwinports/files/ > > Yes I see lots of files. I have no idea what they are utilized for but > I will study and find out. There's a README there to help. > Will the set-up scenario you kindly discussed above be too > overwhelming for a newbie programmer like myself or would I be better > off simply starting with installing an IDE already set-up to run on > win32 platform such as Code::Blocks, Code Lite, lcc-win32 etc.where > all procedures are accomplished in the same window? MinGW comes with an installer, I suggest you use it. I cannot tell anything about the IDE's you mention: never used them.