From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7842: acknowledged by developer (control message for bug 7842) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:21:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83621kmcpw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8739owi45n.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87zjzfpx5j.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <87txpnpwqb.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83fw178ah5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sj50m4hu.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83bobn51dz.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2vtce1h.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> <83mwuwn3b3.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9qwmm8y.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361557310 14847 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2013 18:21:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7842@debbugs.gnu.org, jrollins@finestructure.net To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 19:22:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xG8-0007zn-Pf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:22:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51498 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFo-0001PJ-2W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFh-0001Od-9P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFa-0006zD-Js for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39163) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFa-0006z6-Gs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xGv-00058n-Iv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:23:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7842 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 7842-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7842.136155737019744 (code B ref 7842); Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:23:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7842) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 18:22:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xGi-00058O-R5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:22:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:59179) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xGe-00058A-0z for 7842@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:22:47 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIM00400W323M00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 7842@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:21:18 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIM003TBWBIYA70@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:21:18 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71657 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: jrollins@finestructure.net, 7842@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:25:22 -0500 > > >> and already separates stdout from stderr. > > stderr is put on a file when separated. > > Still, it disproves the statement that "It is impossible to separate the > standard output and standard error streams of the subprocess". The statement is that it is impossible to do that without involving files. > > The OP seems to object to a solution that would use files, or else he > > would have used make-temp-file himself. > > He mentions 4 problems with the current situation: > > > * The first touches the disk, the second does not. > > Providing a wrapper that does make-temp-file doesn't solve this point, > indeed. > > > * The first requires me to pick a temporary file name that does not > > collide with an existing file on disk, the second does not. > > * The first requires me to cleanup a temporary file, the second does > > not. > > * The first is 45 characters long, the second is 13. > > But the wrapper would solve all those 3 remaining points (because the > wrapper would pay this cost, not Jameson). Again, the example in http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=7842#33 explicitly rejects use of any temporary files altogether. If the Jameson would like to rephrase his position, I'm all ears.