From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Facts for fans: encodings history (was: Re: Getting Emacs to play nice with Hunspell and apostrophes) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 11:28:30 +0300 Message-ID: <8361k3x5ch.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ha3s71mt.fsf@debian.uxu> <87tx7rsevi.fsf@debian.uxu> <8738fbscao.fsf@debian.uxu> <87sin8use8.fsf@debian.uxu> <87ioo4ukyq.fsf_-_@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402734554 31212 80.91.229.3 (14 Jun 2014 08:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 14 10:29:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WvjKg-0002lQ-LS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:29:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34591 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvjKg-0006B7-3k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 04:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47222) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvjKQ-0006B2-Rw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 04:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvjKL-0006JU-DW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 04:28:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:36000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WvjKL-0006JP-66 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 04:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N7500M00G2N0V00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 11:27:01 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N7500PFSGT02Q00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 11:27:01 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98243 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:37:02 +0700 > From: Yuri Khan > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" > > [iso-8859-5] is regarded as a design-by-committee encoding bearing > no connection to the needs of real-world users. I guess you mean non-Russian committee, because who do you think invented KOI8-R? some private Russian citizen? KOI8-R was defined by a Soviet State Standard GOST-19768-74, which already means at least one committee was involved. (Interested readers should see http://czyborra.com/charsets/cyrillic.html for more details.) No one really thinks Russian cities are full of bears with balalaikas, but please don't pretend non-Russian cities are full of fools who cannot design a character set on a good day. Next we will probably hear that no one except Russians can design railways, because the only correct standard of railway track width is the Russian one. Sheesh... There should be no place for such bigotry on this forum.