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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the popularity of git [Was: Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches?]
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:24:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83611nzbqr.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22068.12941.199944.979963@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:16:29 +0900
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>, joakim@verona.se,
> 	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> [2]  It occurs to me that one of the things I hated about both bzr and
> hg was that a bare "$VCS commit" commits everything.  That is *almost
> never* TRT for my workflow.  But I suspect that Alan loves that
> feature, since he has a religious objection to commiting a workspace
> that hasn't been polished to an optically perfect surface.

It is a known psychological fact that after using some tool for a long
time, people begin liking or even loving it, no matter how horrible
that tool is.  In fact, people become fond of even the most hideous
misfeatures of that tool.  Otherwise, how to explain that people loved
DCL?

The above is an example.  The truth is that "$VCS commit" committing
all the changes _is_ TRT.  Why? because all the other VCSes before and
after Git do that, and because that's what a mere human would expect.
(I've made me an alias to do just that.)

More generally, Git's main problem is that it breaks almost every
human habit gained with the other VCSes: instead of an easily
remembered numerical version IDs you have those inhuman hashes and the
HEAD^^^^ and {m,n} thingies, instead of being able to say "commit" and
commit the entire changeset you need "git add" first, etc. etc.
_That_ is the single most important problem with Git that begets all
the other problems in usability and user-friendliness: it doesn't give
a damn about established VCS practices and mnemonics, and breaks them
all one after another.  It does that consciously and on purpose.  And
after all that, it expects me to like it.  Ha!



  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-31  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-28 19:20 Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches? Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 19:44 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-28 20:00 ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-28 20:04 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2015-10-28 20:10 ` Alex Bennée
2015-10-28 22:32   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 22:56     ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-10-28 22:59     ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-28 23:53       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29  0:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-29  0:28         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-29  0:49           ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-10-29  2:25         ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-29  8:21         ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 12:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29 13:21             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 17:02               ` On the popularity of git [Was: Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches?] Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-29 17:22                 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 18:08                 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-30  7:48                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-30  9:27                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-30  9:48                     ` David Kastrup
2015-10-30 10:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-30 21:44                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-30  9:09                 ` joakim
2015-10-30 10:49                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-10-31  3:16                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-31  8:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-10-31  8:32                         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-31 11:35                         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-10-31 12:19                         ` David Kastrup
2015-11-02 22:01                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-11-03  8:42                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-03 17:38                               ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-10-31 16:02                         ` On the popularity of git Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-11-01  8:08                           ` Uwe Brauer
2015-10-31 16:50                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-31 16:58                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-02 22:05                           ` Nikolaus Rath
2015-11-03  8:39                             ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 19:24                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-31 20:13                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 21:08                         ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-31 21:15                           ` David Kastrup
2015-10-31 21:48                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01  8:17                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-11-01  8:54                               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-01 10:17                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-11-01 11:15                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-02 20:11                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03  7:00                                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-03 10:07                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 11:58                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:08                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 13:30                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:38                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 13:43                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:49                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 13:58                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 14:14                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-03 14:25                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 13:43                                                 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-11-03 14:35                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-03 14:52                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-03 15:58                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 16:04                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-03 18:14                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-11-03 19:40                                                     ` Jay Belanger
2015-11-03 20:15                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 20:24                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-03 20:35                                                           ` Changing the tone of emacs-devel (Was: On the popularity of git) John Wiegley
2015-11-03 22:05                                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-04  7:54                                                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-03 21:47                                                         ` Changing the subject (was: " David Kastrup
2015-11-03 23:37                                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-04  0:27                                                             ` John Yates
2015-11-04  1:40                                                           ` Changing the subject Yann Hodique
2015-11-04 15:37                                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03 22:11                                                         ` emacs-devel etiquette (was: Re: On the popularity of git) Stephen Leake
2015-11-04 11:12                                                         ` Future emacs mailing lists. [Was: On the popularity of git] Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-04  7:52                                                   ` On the popularity of git Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-11-03 20:53                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-03 13:49                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-30 12:50                 ` On the popularity of git [Was: Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches?] Juanma Barranquero
2015-10-30 14:15                   ` David Kastrup
2015-10-30 16:54                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-10-30 17:31                       ` David Kastrup
2015-10-29 16:31             ` Git question: when using branches, how does git treat working files when changing branches? Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-29 16:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-29 17:45         ` Davis Herring

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