From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:55:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83610ikvto.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837fl2qzs2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448985368 9468 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2015 15:56:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 16:55:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a3nHW-0002cz-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 16:55:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3nHV-00010K-VG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:55:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43751) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3nH2-0000xK-TD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:55:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3nGx-0007SR-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:55:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:60535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a3nGx-0007S5-N1; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 10:55:19 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NYO00H00ROJ0C00@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:48:06 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NYO008N5RW5OH80@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:48:06 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195682 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 09:40:55 -0500 > > The way to decide about changing the defaults is to poll the users. Such a poll could only work if the behavior intended to become the default is already available in released versions of Emacs, so users could turn it on and try it. This is not the case with character folding, which is only available in development snapshots, and actually is still in flux: it changes in non-trivial ways almost every day. If we are afraid users will hate this default, we can turn it off in v25.1 and consider making it the default later. Alternatively, we could quickly release Emacs 25.2 with character folding turned off if we see an outcry. But polling at this time will not be efficient, IMO. > People have recently made various changes in defaults without doing that. > For instance, making C-j in an isearch match spaces. This change should > be reverted without delay. This was fixed quite some time ago.