From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <8360xt6md7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s4bnag.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455352398 13030 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2016 08:33:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 09:33:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdk-0002R3-Qq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:33:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40372 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdj-00031q-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:33:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdg-000314-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:33:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdc-0001zZ-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:33:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdc-0001zU-NQ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:33:08 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3540 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVdb-0002DO-Ot; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:33:08 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= on Fri, 12 Feb 2016 23:36:46 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199858 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 23:36:46 +0100 > From: Per Starbäck > Cc: Artur Malabarba , ofv@wanadoo.es, > "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > > Eli wrote: > > If anything, for now I counted more people who > > said they liked it than those who didn't (5 vs 9, by my count). I'm > > not saying we should already decide to leave it on, but turning it off > > is certainly premature. Less than two weeks have passed since the > > pretest began, there's no rush. > > Collecting feedback is good, but that counting seems pointless to me > if you are counting one person mentioning that people in locale X will > see that behaviour as buggy, dumb or completely oblivious to their > culture as offset by one person saying they like the feature. It's not > about liking the feature or not. We have to listen to what the > feedback says instead of just counting it. The issue is whether this should stay on by default, and those are the only opinions I count (after carefully reading everything people write about the subject). The strength of the opinion is not something that IMO can be reliably taken into account, because of different writing styles different people use, and because for most of us English is not their first language. The nuances of the wording can therefore be entirely random.