From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 22:08:51 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8360utiqt8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160504180417.GB31717@acm.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Wed, 4 May 2016 18:04:17 +0000)
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:04:17 +0000
> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>
> > I don't. Please let's wait until 25.1 is released, the only way to
> > change this decision is if we see a lot of complaints about this.
>
> There won't be lots of complaints about this. There will be a few people
> who notice, and some of them will utterly hate it, just as I do. Some
> will have their Lisp rendered unworkable, just as happened to me. There
> are thousands of options in Emacs, and most users care about only a small
> subset (although the subset is different for each user). You could
> remove any option, no matter how "important", and you'd get only a small
> number of complaints. This doesn't seem to me like the way to judge
> things.
I see no other way.
> > That some people don't like this. But we knew that back when it was
> > decided to have this feature.
>
> And when was this decision taken? The answer is it wasn't. Despite the
> great opposition to it, Paul plowed ahead with several varied schemes for
> curly quotes, not waiting for consensus first, and in the end, people
> just got tired of opposing him.
>
> > > Put frankly, the curly quote stuff was installed into Emacs without there
> > > being any consensus in favour of it, and was deliberately done in such a
> > > way that it could not be disabled (see below).
>
> > Not true. If there were no consensus, at least not a wide enough one,
> > this wouldn't have been admitted.
>
> That's not the way the Emacs project works. Most contributors work on a
> cooperative basis and first discuss contentious things and abide by
> understandings reached. You and I certainly do. That leaves us open to
> abuse by aggressive committers, who don't abide by the above convention.
> This is what happened with curly quotes. There is nobody in the project
> who feels empowered to revert "premature" commits.
That's not my recollection of how this happened. But the records are
all there, so anyone can re-read them and make up their own minds.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-04 19:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-05-02 14:55 bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-02 16:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-02 16:41 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 17:53 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-02 19:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 15:17 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-03 16:36 ` Drew Adams
2016-05-03 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 16:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 20:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 20:49 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 16:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 17:37 ` Josh
2016-05-04 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 18:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:39 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 18:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 19:02 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 21:34 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 21:50 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 23:49 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-05 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-10 14:41 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31 1:07 ` Glenn Morris
2017-05-31 1:42 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31 21:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-05-31 23:26 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-02 21:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-02 21:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-03 21:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:10 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-03 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-02 21:47 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-03 0:13 ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 20:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-04 21:01 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 16:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 18:19 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 18:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-05 18:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-05 20:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 21:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 16:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 19:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 0:14 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-06 8:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-06 8:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-06 12:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 13:55 ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 18:21 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 18:59 ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 18:59 ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 19:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 19:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-07 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-06 13:55 ` Yuri Khan
2017-06-06 12:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 23:09 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-07 7:44 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 18:17 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08 8:04 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 13:27 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 13:27 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 19:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:27 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 19:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-07 19:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-07 19:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:56 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 22:05 ` `message' with quotes [was: bug#23425: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote] Drew Adams
2017-06-08 17:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:27 ` bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 23:28 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08 17:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-08 20:17 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 19:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 20:17 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 20:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 21:05 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 21:44 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 22:51 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-10 0:20 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-10 10:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 10:52 ` David Engster
2017-06-10 11:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 13:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-11 10:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-11 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-05 20:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-05 18:19 ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 16:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 20:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-01 16:56 ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 21:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 20:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 21:15 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 22:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-05 7:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-05-05 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 8:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-05 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 23:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-05-06 8:54 ` Nicolas Petton
2016-05-04 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-05-04 21:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-09 20:31 ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-10 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
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