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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master f995fbd: * lisp/server.el (server-name): Add autoload cookie. (Bug#23576)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:47:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8360u88vue.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5jy474fxib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:04 -0400)

> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 13:30:04 -0400
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >> Autoloading defcustoms just so people can set them interactively before
> >> the associated package is loaded is a Bad Thing.
> >
> > I don't understand why.  Can you explain?  That's not the only
> > defcustom that is marked as autoloaded.
> 
> It's the Emacs policy, and has been for years, to not autoload
> defcustoms unless it's really needed for some special reason. Eg

Well, heck, I guess I'm against that policy.

> I agree with Stefan. It's just wrong. Don't try to solve a generic
> issue by autoloading the world one piece at a time.

We must solve the problems that annoy users (and me as well).  If we
cannot put our money where our mouth is, we should solve the problems
in some less clean way, but solve them we must.  Refusing to solve
problems because the available solutions are not clean enough, and
then doing nothing to provide a more clean one, is not a good modus
operandi for a project, IMO.

> >> IMO it would have been better to simply remove the bit about
> >> set-variable from the manual.
> >
> > I don't see why we should remove useful advice from the manual, just
> > because it's inconvenient to make it work.
> 
> It's not useful advice. This is the only instance of M-x set-variable in
> the entire manual! No-one using multiple servers (a relatively advanced
> feature) needs that crutch. It adds nothing to the manual to have it
> there, and it should be taken out.

I obviously disagree.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-20 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20160518194708.86FE0220157@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-05-19 16:44   ` master f995fbd: * lisp/server.el (server-name): Add autoload cookie. (Bug#23576) Glenn Morris
2016-05-19 17:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  4:07       ` Leo Liu
2016-05-20  5:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  7:11           ` Leo Liu
2016-05-20  7:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  8:48               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-20  9:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20 12:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 13:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20 18:29                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 18:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-26  3:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-26  3:36                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-26 15:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-27 19:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-28  7:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-17 16:42                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-17 20:35                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-17 22:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18  2:20                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-18  2:38                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-18 18:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18 20:05                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 13:45                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 13:48                                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 14:27                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 14:48                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 14:30                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 15:35                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-23 15:52                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-24 14:01                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-01 13:33                                     ` Robert Weiner
2016-07-01 15:51                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 17:30       ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-20 17:47         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-05-20 18:15           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-20 18:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-21  4:25               ` Leo Liu
2016-05-21  6:52                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-21  7:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-21  7:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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